Comments on: Supply, demand, and the abortion struggles http://hugoschwyzer.net/2004/08/31/supply-demand-and-the-abortion-struggles/ Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:08:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Alas, a Blog http://hugoschwyzer.net/2004/08/31/supply-demand-and-the-abortion-struggles/#comment-2388 Alas, a Blog Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:12:31 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2004/08/31/supply-demand-and-the-abortion-struggles/#comment-2388 <strong>"Feminist and Pro-Life"; another reply to Hugo</strong> Before I start responding to Hugo's most recent reply to me, I wanted to comment on something he wrote in his earlier reply to me. As my students (and regular readers of this blog) know, I'm not big on "either/or"... “Feminist and Pro-Life”; another reply to Hugo

Before I start responding to Hugo’s most recent reply to me, I wanted to comment on something he wrote in his earlier reply to me. As my students (and regular readers of this blog) know, I’m not big on “either/or”…

]]> By: Alas, a Blog http://hugoschwyzer.net/2004/08/31/supply-demand-and-the-abortion-struggles/#comment-2387 Alas, a Blog Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:09:46 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2004/08/31/supply-demand-and-the-abortion-struggles/#comment-2387 <strong>"Feminist and Pro-Life"; another reply to Hugo</strong> Before I start responding to Hugo's most recent reply to me, I wanted to comment on something he wrote in his earlier reply to me. As my students (and regular readers of this blog) know, I'm not big on "either/or"... “Feminist and Pro-Life”; another reply to Hugo

Before I start responding to Hugo’s most recent reply to me, I wanted to comment on something he wrote in his earlier reply to me. As my students (and regular readers of this blog) know, I’m not big on “either/or”…

]]> By: Alas, a Blog http://hugoschwyzer.net/2004/08/31/supply-demand-and-the-abortion-struggles/#comment-2386 Alas, a Blog Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:05:20 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2004/08/31/supply-demand-and-the-abortion-struggles/#comment-2386 <strong>"Feminist and Pro-Life"; another reply to Hugo</strong> Before I start responding to Hugo's most recent reply to me, I wanted to comment on something he wrote in his earlier reply to me. As my students (and regular readers of this blog) know, I'm not big on "either/or"... “Feminist and Pro-Life”; another reply to Hugo

Before I start responding to Hugo’s most recent reply to me, I wanted to comment on something he wrote in his earlier reply to me. As my students (and regular readers of this blog) know, I’m not big on “either/or”…

]]> By: Alas, a Blog http://hugoschwyzer.net/2004/08/31/supply-demand-and-the-abortion-struggles/#comment-2385 Alas, a Blog Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:01:55 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2004/08/31/supply-demand-and-the-abortion-struggles/#comment-2385 <strong>"Feminist and Pro-Life"; another reply to Hugo</strong> Before I start responding to Hugo's most recent reply to me, I wanted to comment on something he wrote in his earlier reply to me. As my students (and regular readers of this blog) know, I'm not big on "either/or"... “Feminist and Pro-Life”; another reply to Hugo

Before I start responding to Hugo’s most recent reply to me, I wanted to comment on something he wrote in his earlier reply to me. As my students (and regular readers of this blog) know, I’m not big on “either/or”…

]]> By: Alas, a Blog http://hugoschwyzer.net/2004/08/31/supply-demand-and-the-abortion-struggles/#comment-2384 Alas, a Blog Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:55:56 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2004/08/31/supply-demand-and-the-abortion-struggles/#comment-2384 <strong>"Feminist and Pro-Life"; another reply to Hugo</strong> Before I start responding to Hugo's most recent reply to me, I wanted to comment on something he wrote in his earlier reply to me. As my students (and regular readers of this blog) know, I'm not big on "either/or"... “Feminist and Pro-Life”; another reply to Hugo

Before I start responding to Hugo’s most recent reply to me, I wanted to comment on something he wrote in his earlier reply to me. As my students (and regular readers of this blog) know, I’m not big on “either/or”…

]]> By: mythago http://hugoschwyzer.net/2004/08/31/supply-demand-and-the-abortion-struggles/#comment-2382 mythago Mon, 06 Sep 2004 21:36:14 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2004/08/31/supply-demand-and-the-abortion-struggles/#comment-2382 Actually, a sex change operation beats abstinence. After all, a woman who practices abstinence as her method of contraception could still be raped, whereas a transsexual no longer possesses the organs that permit conception. <i>Because a substantial percentage of FFLA's membership is Catholic</i> Then why are they wrapping themselves in the label 'feminism'? The Pope has spoken out against feminism, condeming it as opposed to the natural order of things--which is respect for women in their roles as wives/mothers and as helpmeets to men, but certainly in no way equal to men in the way feminism holds them to be. They're trying to square the circle. (As for abstinence, I was pretty sure the Church had rejected the doctrine that ideally husbands and wives should live 'as brother and sister', so advocating abstinence means telling married couples they should stop having sex--permanently--as soon as they have the number of children they want.) Actually, a sex change operation beats abstinence. After all, a woman who practices abstinence as her method of contraception could still be raped, whereas a transsexual no longer possesses the organs that permit conception.

Because a substantial percentage of FFLA’s membership is Catholic

Then why are they wrapping themselves in the label ‘feminism’? The Pope has spoken out against feminism, condeming it as opposed to the natural order of things–which is respect for women in their roles as wives/mothers and as helpmeets to men, but certainly in no way equal to men in the way feminism holds them to be. They’re trying to square the circle.

(As for abstinence, I was pretty sure the Church had rejected the doctrine that ideally husbands and wives should live ‘as brother and sister’, so advocating abstinence means telling married couples they should stop having sex–permanently–as soon as they have the number of children they want.)

]]> By: Hugo http://hugoschwyzer.net/2004/08/31/supply-demand-and-the-abortion-struggles/#comment-2381 Hugo Mon, 06 Sep 2004 21:05:49 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2004/08/31/supply-demand-and-the-abortion-struggles/#comment-2381 Because a substantial percentage of FFLA's membership is Catholic, it is considered divisive to take a stance on contraception one way or another. And when it comes to the "best" method of preventing abortion, if we are going to talk superlatives, I think abstinence wins hands down! Because a substantial percentage of FFLA’s membership is Catholic, it is considered divisive to take a stance on contraception one way or another.

And when it comes to the “best” method of preventing abortion, if we are going to talk superlatives, I think abstinence wins hands down!

]]> By: mythago http://hugoschwyzer.net/2004/08/31/supply-demand-and-the-abortion-struggles/#comment-2380 mythago Mon, 06 Sep 2004 16:20:39 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2004/08/31/supply-demand-and-the-abortion-struggles/#comment-2380 Hugo, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding the FFL officially has 'no position' on contraception. I find it problematic that a group professing to be feminist would not, as you do, strongly favor non-abortifacient contraception as the best means of preventing abortion. Hugo, correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s my understanding the FFL officially has ‘no position’ on contraception. I find it problematic that a group professing to be feminist would not, as you do, strongly favor non-abortifacient contraception as the best means of preventing abortion.

]]> By: Amanda http://hugoschwyzer.net/2004/08/31/supply-demand-and-the-abortion-struggles/#comment-2379 Amanda Sun, 05 Sep 2004 22:39:06 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2004/08/31/supply-demand-and-the-abortion-struggles/#comment-2379 Hugo, I have to take up with you on your comment about women who are "at risk" for abortion. While it is true that women who don't have regular access to contraception are probably more likely to have abortions than those who don't, the way that you phrased that implies that abortions is something *other* people do. The specter of class and race infects most arguments I see from the pro-life side, but I would think that you would be above that sort of thinking. Privileged women have as many abortions as u-privileged women, but theirs are not as visible. And, if abortion is made illegal, it will only be effectively so for un-privileged women, because privileged women will continue doing what they already do--get abortions from private doctors and have some euphemism put on the bill for it. Hugo, I have to take up with you on your comment about women who are “at risk” for abortion. While it is true that women who don’t have regular access to contraception are probably more likely to have abortions than those who don’t, the way that you phrased that implies that abortions is something *other* people do. The specter of class and race infects most arguments I see from the pro-life side, but I would think that you would be above that sort of thinking. Privileged women have as many abortions as u-privileged women, but theirs are not as visible. And, if abortion is made illegal, it will only be effectively so for un-privileged women, because privileged women will continue doing what they already do–get abortions from private doctors and have some euphemism put on the bill for it.

]]> By: Alas, a Blog http://hugoschwyzer.net/2004/08/31/supply-demand-and-the-abortion-struggles/#comment-2383 Alas, a Blog Sun, 05 Sep 2004 18:08:26 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2004/08/31/supply-demand-and-the-abortion-struggles/#comment-2383 <strong>Pro-life feminism?</strong> If there's one thing I can't understand, it's a feminist who is "pro-life." ("Pro-life," in this context, means someone who favors using the state to force childbirth on unwilling pregnant women.) Even for feminists who - for religious or other... Pro-life feminism?

If there’s one thing I can’t understand, it’s a feminist who is “pro-life.” (”Pro-life,” in this context, means someone who favors using the state to force childbirth on unwilling pregnant women.) Even for feminists who - for religious or other…

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