Comments on: The male teacher’s body and propriety http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/02/25/the-male-teachers-body-and-propriety/ Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:09:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Hugo http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/02/25/the-male-teachers-body-and-propriety/#comment-9013 Hugo Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:03:19 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/02/25/the-male-teachers-body-and-propriety/#comment-9013 Hot pants, Liesl? I've never worn spandex to school in my life. Hot pants, Liesl? I’ve never worn spandex to school in my life.

]]> By: Liesl http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/02/25/the-male-teachers-body-and-propriety/#comment-9012 Liesl Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:11:53 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/02/25/the-male-teachers-body-and-propriety/#comment-9012 Hugo is def hot. His photos dont do him justice, though he is handsome in them. But he is hotter in person esp when he teaches. He is not inappropriate the way your teacher is, Lisa. Hugo, I had not read this post before but I think you need to reconsider whether or not you are really honest about how your clothes look on you. You sometimes wear some pretty hot pants. Hugo is def hot. His photos dont do him justice, though he is handsome in them. But he is hotter in person esp when he teaches.

He is not inappropriate the way your teacher is, Lisa.

Hugo, I had not read this post before but I think you need to reconsider whether or not you are really honest about how your clothes look on you. You sometimes wear some pretty hot pants.

]]> By: lisa http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/02/25/the-male-teachers-body-and-propriety/#comment-9011 lisa Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:06:40 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/02/25/the-male-teachers-body-and-propriety/#comment-9011 I understand the situation, I have a teacher who always comes in wearing tight trousers and expressing his sexuality very VERY blatently. He makes inappropriate comments often, he looks at my chest everytime he thinks I am not looking, he checks out girls, he checks out boys! He gets really really close to everyone he fiddles with himself when he thinks noone can see, he plays with himself after school (Accidentally walked in on him) he is crude however he is one of the best teachers I have ever had and I respect him and love him coz he's a lot of fun. It's only like being with a man. Men are perverts especially him it doesnt bother me though I mean yes sometimes it can be distracting but I think that he is more interesting because of it and I listen to what he says rather than dozing off. He is very sexy yes but it makes no difference to me all men are this way really you can't just turn it on and off like a tap. Its the quiet ones you have to worry about!! lol. p.s. I like the way you think that people would be distracted by you wearing clingy clothes lol r u really that hot? I understand the situation, I have a teacher who always comes in wearing tight trousers and expressing his sexuality very VERY blatently. He makes inappropriate comments often, he looks at my chest everytime he thinks I am not looking, he checks out girls, he checks out boys! He gets really really close to everyone he fiddles with himself when he thinks noone can see, he plays with himself after school (Accidentally walked in on him) he is crude however he is one of the best teachers I have ever had and I respect him and love him coz he’s a lot of fun. It’s only like being with a man. Men are perverts especially him it doesnt bother me though I mean yes sometimes it can be distracting but I think that he is more interesting because of it and I listen to what he says rather than dozing off. He is very sexy yes but it makes no difference to me all men are this way really you can’t just turn it on and off like a tap. Its the quiet ones you have to worry about!! lol. p.s. I like the way you think that people would be distracted by you wearing clingy clothes lol r u really that hot?

]]> By: Redneck Feminist (aka drumgurl) http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/02/25/the-male-teachers-body-and-propriety/#comment-9010 Redneck Feminist (aka drumgurl) Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:10:16 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/02/25/the-male-teachers-body-and-propriety/#comment-9010 Gosh Mark, I'm not a victim! I don't many victims who own an AK-47. No, that's not a threat to you. (Unless you infer it-- I'm not implying it, haha.) I'm just using that as one example in which I empower myself. But this is what you said: "Since you're not a guy, this is all just your speculation. You've got some issues with strong men." The speculation was referring to men who harass-- NOT men in general. Then you said Amanda has issues with strong men-- when, again, she was ONLY referring to men who harass. Therefore, it's reasonable to infer that you were saying strong men are men who catcall. But like I said, I DIDN'T think you actually MEANT that! (Or did you infer that I DID think you meant it? Hmmm.) It is, of course, one's own responsibility what they infer. But if one wants his intentions clear, he too has the responsibility to clarify. I'm still laughing at the victim thing. Sorry you inferred that about me. P.S. Are you hot? Just to get the tread back on track... Gosh Mark, I’m not a victim! I don’t many victims who own an AK-47. No, that’s not a threat to you. (Unless you infer it– I’m not implying it, haha.) I’m just using that as one example in which I empower myself.

But this is what you said: “Since you’re not a guy, this is all just your speculation. You’ve got some issues with strong men.”

The speculation was referring to men who harass– NOT men in general. Then you said Amanda has issues with strong men– when, again, she was ONLY referring to men who harass. Therefore, it’s reasonable to infer that you were saying strong men are men who catcall. But like I said, I DIDN’T think you actually MEANT that! (Or did you infer that I DID think you meant it? Hmmm.)

It is, of course, one’s own responsibility what they infer. But if one wants his intentions clear, he too has the responsibility to clarify.

I’m still laughing at the victim thing. Sorry you inferred that about me.

P.S. Are you hot? Just to get the tread back on track…

]]> By: Mark http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/02/25/the-male-teachers-body-and-propriety/#comment-9009 Mark Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:07:38 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/02/25/the-male-teachers-body-and-propriety/#comment-9009 <i>I see. My place as a woman is nothing more than simpering praise, no matter how much in the inside I know that you are mean and make no sense. Alrighty, then.</i> If that's how you feel, that's how you feel. Simper away! <i>My Mark, you are so big and strong! You can yell, "Slut" at me and then drive away whenever you like. I'll just blush and giggle, glad that you and your friends paid attention to lil ol' me!</i> Are you trying to turn the following feminist tactics into some kind of art form? 1. Changing the subject? 2. Using straw men? I see. My place as a woman is nothing more than simpering praise, no matter how much in the inside I know that you are mean and make no sense. Alrighty, then.

If that’s how you feel, that’s how you feel. Simper away!

My Mark, you are so big and strong! You can yell, “Slut” at me and then drive away whenever you like. I’ll just blush and giggle, glad that you and your friends paid attention to lil ol’ me!

Are you trying to turn the following feminist tactics into some kind of art form?

1. Changing the subject?

2. Using straw men?

]]> By: Hugo http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/02/25/the-male-teachers-body-and-propriety/#comment-9008 Hugo Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:21:09 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/02/25/the-male-teachers-body-and-propriety/#comment-9008 Mark and Amanda, I understand it's tempting, but try not to hijack the thread into the old MRA/feminist debate. It does get old, folks. Tyler, thanks for the clarification -- I suspect I interpreted your concerns too closely with the original story about visual temptation. Mark and Amanda, I understand it’s tempting, but try not to hijack the thread into the old MRA/feminist debate. It does get old, folks.

Tyler, thanks for the clarification — I suspect I interpreted your concerns too closely with the original story about visual temptation.

]]> By: Creeping Jenny http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/02/25/the-male-teachers-body-and-propriety/#comment-9007 Creeping Jenny Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:04:19 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/02/25/the-male-teachers-body-and-propriety/#comment-9007 Come on, Amanda, work with me! As feminists, we don't really need any more enemies than we've already got. Actually, to tell you the truth I'm a bit ambivalent about the whole making nice thing in general. On the one hand, there's a definite double standard that I don't want to play to: as a woman, I'm "supposed" to be all sweet and smiley and nurturing and non-profane, even when somebody outright insults me or says something ludicrously sexist/racist/classist. On the other hand, aggression usually gets terrible results (in part because of the double standard, but in part because people tend to shut down and get defensive when attacked by anyone, male or female). So I don't quite know what's the right thing to do. As for making nice between you and Mark, I guess that's up to you guys. I'm already starting to sound like the third-grade playground monitor, which indicates that it's time for me to bow out. Come on, Amanda, work with me! As feminists, we don’t really need any more enemies than we’ve already got.

Actually, to tell you the truth I’m a bit ambivalent about the whole making nice thing in general. On the one hand, there’s a definite double standard that I don’t want to play to: as a woman, I’m “supposed” to be all sweet and smiley and nurturing and non-profane, even when somebody outright insults me or says something ludicrously sexist/racist/classist. On the other hand, aggression usually gets terrible results (in part because of the double standard, but in part because people tend to shut down and get defensive when attacked by anyone, male or female). So I don’t quite know what’s the right thing to do.

As for making nice between you and Mark, I guess that’s up to you guys. I’m already starting to sound like the third-grade playground monitor, which indicates that it’s time for me to bow out.

]]> By: Amanda http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/02/25/the-male-teachers-body-and-propriety/#comment-9006 Amanda Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:14:33 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/02/25/the-male-teachers-body-and-propriety/#comment-9006 Jenny, your kind, well-thought responses make me feel small for mocking Mark here. But then again, I gotta find my fun where I can. Jenny, your kind, well-thought responses make me feel small for mocking Mark here. But then again, I gotta find my fun where I can.

]]> By: Amanda http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/02/25/the-male-teachers-body-and-propriety/#comment-9005 Amanda Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:12:40 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/02/25/the-male-teachers-body-and-propriety/#comment-9005 I see. My place as a woman is nothing more than simpering praise, no matter how much in the inside I know that you are mean and make no sense. Alrighty, then. My Mark, you are so big and strong! You can yell, "Slut" at me and then drive away whenever you like. I'll just blush and giggle, glad that you and your friends paid attention to lil ol' me! I see. My place as a woman is nothing more than simpering praise, no matter how much in the inside I know that you are mean and make no sense. Alrighty, then.

My Mark, you are so big and strong! You can yell, “Slut” at me and then drive away whenever you like. I’ll just blush and giggle, glad that you and your friends paid attention to lil ol’ me!

]]> By: Mark http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/02/25/the-male-teachers-body-and-propriety/#comment-9004 Mark Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:53:07 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/02/25/the-male-teachers-body-and-propriety/#comment-9004 <i>Keep contorting, Mark, one day your Escher-like logic will start making sense. If you think my criticisms of men who cruise around and bully women on the street for laughs is hatred aimed at all men, then you do seem to have a low, low, low opinion of men. Believe it or not, some men don't need to pointlessly harass women in order to feel big and strong.</i> This is just one instance of your ongoing campaign of disparagement of men. But please go ahead and pretend it's something else, if you like. Keep contorting, Mark, one day your Escher-like logic will start making sense. If you think my criticisms of men who cruise around and bully women on the street for laughs is hatred aimed at all men, then you do seem to have a low, low, low opinion of men. Believe it or not, some men don’t need to pointlessly harass women in order to feel big and strong.

This is just one instance of your ongoing campaign of disparagement of men. But please go ahead and pretend it’s something else, if you like.

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