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		<title>By: Chip</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/04/27/sex-ed/#comment-11207</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2005 20:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Sometimes the job of the shepherd is to recognize that all of his sheep are not the same."

Sure, Hugo -- there's no question about that. We all are different, and we all have our different strengths and weaknesses, including our propensity to sin. Any shepherd needs to recognize the differences in his or her sheep.
Still, the shepherd cannot and must not abdicate his or her role of guiding the sheep in the way that God asks us to go. (And I recognize your uncertainty regarding what God would have us to do in this matter. I am, obviously, taking a certain position.)

To relate this thought to a comment in your most recent post, your current position IS the mainstream position of today's culture, although it's certainly not the only position out there. The message to "have sex responsibly, within the context of love and commitment" is all over the place.

It wouldn't matter, though, if that message was rare in the culture, because that's not the issue. The issue is what God wants for his people, even if our reason and experience can't comprehend why God would restrict us from what seems good to us. (And with our sinfulness, God's ways will always be contrary to ours in many respects.)    

Peace of Christ!
Chip 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sometimes the job of the shepherd is to recognize that all of his sheep are not the same.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure, Hugo &#8212; there&#8217;s no question about that. We all are different, and we all have our different strengths and weaknesses, including our propensity to sin. Any shepherd needs to recognize the differences in his or her sheep.<br />
Still, the shepherd cannot and must not abdicate his or her role of guiding the sheep in the way that God asks us to go. (And I recognize your uncertainty regarding what God would have us to do in this matter. I am, obviously, taking a certain position.)</p>
<p>To relate this thought to a comment in your most recent post, your current position IS the mainstream position of today&#8217;s culture, although it&#8217;s certainly not the only position out there. The message to &#8220;have sex responsibly, within the context of love and commitment&#8221; is all over the place.</p>
<p>It wouldn&#8217;t matter, though, if that message was rare in the culture, because that&#8217;s not the issue. The issue is what God wants for his people, even if our reason and experience can&#8217;t comprehend why God would restrict us from what seems good to us. (And with our sinfulness, God&#8217;s ways will always be contrary to ours in many respects.)    </p>
<p>Peace of Christ!<br />
Chip</p>
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		<title>By: Caitriona</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/04/27/sex-ed/#comment-11206</link>
		<dc:creator>Caitriona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2005 10:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/04/27/sex-ed/#comment-11206</guid>
		<description>Sophie,

Hi.  If things settle down around our place, I'll try to write something on my blog on the questions you've raised.  But consider this.  How did Jesus approach the people who came to him who had sinned in the past?  

If they were ready to start fresh, to leave their old ways behind, he accepted them as they were and taught them to live a life of love.

If they were too tied to anything in this temporal world, he was able to see that as well.  Take, for instance, the young rich man who came to him asking what it would take to be a follower.  The young man was too tied to his material possessions.  For this young man, the key to following Jesus was to give away all his wealth.  Jesus didn't ask this of every would-be follower, but he did ask it of the person for whom material possessions would be a hindrance to living a life of love.

And there lies the challenge - finding that which we tend to put above God, realizing this, and learning to put God and the path to which He leads us above all else.  For each of us, it is something different.  And it sometimes changes.  We must always be self-aware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sophie,</p>
<p>Hi.  If things settle down around our place, I&#8217;ll try to write something on my blog on the questions you&#8217;ve raised.  But consider this.  How did Jesus approach the people who came to him who had sinned in the past?  </p>
<p>If they were ready to start fresh, to leave their old ways behind, he accepted them as they were and taught them to live a life of love.</p>
<p>If they were too tied to anything in this temporal world, he was able to see that as well.  Take, for instance, the young rich man who came to him asking what it would take to be a follower.  The young man was too tied to his material possessions.  For this young man, the key to following Jesus was to give away all his wealth.  Jesus didn&#8217;t ask this of every would-be follower, but he did ask it of the person for whom material possessions would be a hindrance to living a life of love.</p>
<p>And there lies the challenge - finding that which we tend to put above God, realizing this, and learning to put God and the path to which He leads us above all else.  For each of us, it is something different.  And it sometimes changes.  We must always be self-aware.</p>
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		<title>By: sophie</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/04/27/sex-ed/#comment-11205</link>
		<dc:creator>sophie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2005 21:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/04/27/sex-ed/#comment-11205</guid>
		<description>hello, I've never read a blog before so please excuse me if I breach protocol. However, i do find this a topic of great interest. I became Christian  after years of casual sex, and was told that pre-marital sex was sinful. This was very differsult for me because it is so hard to step backward from such a step. I can not find any clear passage in the bible against pre-marital sex, I have found comments on "fornication" and have had adultery explained to me as ANY sex not within marriage. However I would love to go back to the original languages on these ones and find the connotations of the words actually used! I would love it if anyone could clarify this for me!
Fortunately for myself this will soon no longer be an issue because I am getting married, but I think it is something young Christian need clarifying with discussions of the biblical teachings because I have so many friends stuggling with it, and know none who have not "slipped up" every so often. Lacking better teaching and after much prayer, ny solution for myself is that as I am in a long term faithful relationship with someone to whom I have given my life in all but ceremony and law, the most fundemantal problem I face is putting too high an importance on my fiance, leaving God behind, so being sure that we are both right with God first is priority. And I feel closest to my partner when this is the case.
As for taking Jesus' teaching literally, I feel that his comment on perfection was like paul's later comment "aim for perfection" which requires aiming even if you will miss. We must always be striving to please God. What Jesus taught usmust be taken as a whole, if you soften one part, you might as well soften it all down. We cannot just give up because it seems hard! That is what the Spirit is for! We just must not get bogged down in "failing" but get up and try again.
This is ofcourse my fairly uneducated opinion - feel free to correct me.
PS about the Catholic school system? My fiance was turned athiest by it too, it took him seven years to get over the experience and to find God truely, he know considers it the greatest threat to Christianity because it puts so many people off for life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello, I&#8217;ve never read a blog before so please excuse me if I breach protocol. However, i do find this a topic of great interest. I became Christian  after years of casual sex, and was told that pre-marital sex was sinful. This was very differsult for me because it is so hard to step backward from such a step. I can not find any clear passage in the bible against pre-marital sex, I have found comments on &#8220;fornication&#8221; and have had adultery explained to me as ANY sex not within marriage. However I would love to go back to the original languages on these ones and find the connotations of the words actually used! I would love it if anyone could clarify this for me!<br />
Fortunately for myself this will soon no longer be an issue because I am getting married, but I think it is something young Christian need clarifying with discussions of the biblical teachings because I have so many friends stuggling with it, and know none who have not &#8220;slipped up&#8221; every so often. Lacking better teaching and after much prayer, ny solution for myself is that as I am in a long term faithful relationship with someone to whom I have given my life in all but ceremony and law, the most fundemantal problem I face is putting too high an importance on my fiance, leaving God behind, so being sure that we are both right with God first is priority. And I feel closest to my partner when this is the case.<br />
As for taking Jesus&#8217; teaching literally, I feel that his comment on perfection was like paul&#8217;s later comment &#8220;aim for perfection&#8221; which requires aiming even if you will miss. We must always be striving to please God. What Jesus taught usmust be taken as a whole, if you soften one part, you might as well soften it all down. We cannot just give up because it seems hard! That is what the Spirit is for! We just must not get bogged down in &#8220;failing&#8221; but get up and try again.<br />
This is ofcourse my fairly uneducated opinion - feel free to correct me.<br />
PS about the Catholic school system? My fiance was turned athiest by it too, it took him seven years to get over the experience and to find God truely, he know considers it the greatest threat to Christianity because it puts so many people off for life.</p>
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		<title>By: Carmen</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/04/27/sex-ed/#comment-11204</link>
		<dc:creator>Carmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/04/27/sex-ed/#comment-11204</guid>
		<description>Hugo,
   You need to follow your heart on this issue!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugo,<br />
   You need to follow your heart on this issue!</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/04/27/sex-ed/#comment-11203</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/04/27/sex-ed/#comment-11203</guid>
		<description>If I remember correctly, it was Aquinas who distinguished sins of desire from sins of malice.  We're talking about the former here; Aquinas regarded the latter as infinitely worse.  So, for that matter, did Dante.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I remember correctly, it was Aquinas who distinguished sins of desire from sins of malice.  We&#8217;re talking about the former here; Aquinas regarded the latter as infinitely worse.  So, for that matter, did Dante.</p>
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		<title>By: mythago</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/04/27/sex-ed/#comment-11202</link>
		<dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/04/27/sex-ed/#comment-11202</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;The word "sin" originally came from archery. &lt;/i&gt;

That's one version of sin (chet); the kind of sin where you mess up or fail. That is different kind of sin than a deliberate, malicious act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The word &#8220;sin&#8221; originally came from archery. </i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s one version of sin (chet); the kind of sin where you mess up or fail. That is different kind of sin than a deliberate, malicious act.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/04/27/sex-ed/#comment-11201</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/04/27/sex-ed/#comment-11201</guid>
		<description>Sometimes the job of the shepherd is to recognize that all of his sheep are not the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes the job of the shepherd is to recognize that all of his sheep are not the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Caitriona</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/04/27/sex-ed/#comment-11200</link>
		<dc:creator>Caitriona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/04/27/sex-ed/#comment-11200</guid>
		<description>I've some comments about this discussion floating around in my head, but they're just not where I can grasp them.  Too busy looking for good host families, I guess.  :-)

We have a goal for which to strive - Godly perfection.  As humans, we can never fully reach that goal, but we are to forgive ourselves and others the mistakes made and then to continue reaching for the goal.  Doing so allows us to inch closer to the mark each day.

The word "sin" originally came from archery.  It means to miss the mark.  Once I learned that, it became easier to accept that I am going to have "sin" in my life, because that little "bull's eye" in the center of the target is darn hard to hit.  But I keep practicing, keep working at it, and never give up.  (OK, some days I give up.... for a little bit.  But then I try again.)  As I keep practicing, I get closer and closer to the "mark."

Et, c'est la vie, n'est pas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve some comments about this discussion floating around in my head, but they&#8217;re just not where I can grasp them.  Too busy looking for good host families, I guess.  :-)</p>
<p>We have a goal for which to strive - Godly perfection.  As humans, we can never fully reach that goal, but we are to forgive ourselves and others the mistakes made and then to continue reaching for the goal.  Doing so allows us to inch closer to the mark each day.</p>
<p>The word &#8220;sin&#8221; originally came from archery.  It means to miss the mark.  Once I learned that, it became easier to accept that I am going to have &#8220;sin&#8221; in my life, because that little &#8220;bull&#8217;s eye&#8221; in the center of the target is darn hard to hit.  But I keep practicing, keep working at it, and never give up.  (OK, some days I give up&#8230;. for a little bit.  But then I try again.)  As I keep practicing, I get closer and closer to the &#8220;mark.&#8221;</p>
<p>Et, c&#8217;est la vie, n&#8217;est pas?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/04/27/sex-ed/#comment-11199</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/04/27/sex-ed/#comment-11199</guid>
		<description>Precisely.

Desires are to be controlled, not given in to because they are OK. Desire leads to action, and my concern is by condoning one, you are also condoning the other. I am disappointed you didn't give the moral guidance which this generation so desperately needs. That's the job of a shepherd, I would have thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Precisely.</p>
<p>Desires are to be controlled, not given in to because they are OK. Desire leads to action, and my concern is by condoning one, you are also condoning the other. I am disappointed you didn&#8217;t give the moral guidance which this generation so desperately needs. That&#8217;s the job of a shepherd, I would have thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2005/04/27/sex-ed/#comment-11198</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"It is faithful â€” 'tonight's pleasures are not tomorrow's pain.'"

Hugo,

How could a one-night stand ever be considered "faithful"?

Peace of Christ,
Chip</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is faithful â€” &#8216;tonight&#8217;s pleasures are not tomorrow&#8217;s pain.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>Hugo,</p>
<p>How could a one-night stand ever be considered &#8220;faithful&#8221;?</p>
<p>Peace of Christ,<br />
Chip</p>
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