Comments on: The Clitoris and Corinthians

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By: Hugo

Hugo — Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:56:23 +0000

LAMom, as someone who is normally enchanted with “both/and” concepts rather than “either/ors”, I’m delighted to have you point this out — and embarrassed that I didn’t get it.

By: LAmom

LAmom — Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:16:25 +0000

My sexuality is no longer my own; I did surrender it to my wife as she surrendered hers to me.

Perhaps you didn’t mean it this way, but the way you expressed this sounds more like an “either/or” proposition, while the scripture sounds like more of a “both/and”:

The wife’s body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband’s body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. (emphasis mine, obviously)

I wouldn’t say that my sexuality is no longer my own. It is still mine, but it is also my husband’s.

In a very real sense, one can thus argue that female masturbation is an inherently feminist act!

Love that!

By: anonymousgirl

anonymousgirl — Sat, 22 Oct 2005 01:56:01 +0000

For what it’s worth, I (as a 20-year-old, never-been-kissed-or-even-looked-at, straight Christian girl) agree with you on this (with my information only coming theoretically and from observing other people, of course). However, I don’t see the real need for the concept of “autonomy” in the description of the stage I am in now :). Knowing about how one’s body works does not make one autonomous; the means I assume you are referring to *cough* are both a preparation (so that one doesn’t rely on one’s spouse knowing everything when one gets married) and, well, a way of keeping oneself from going crazy *ahem*. I am not thinking, “Hey, I can make it on my own.”

By: Noumena

Noumena — Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:14:23 +0000

Hugo — The relationship between Kant and contemporary feminism is surprisingly rich. Not to step on your dad’s purview (I’m still just an apprentice philosopher, after all), but there’s a

By: Hugo

Hugo — Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:50:56 +0000

Hah, mythago. One would think, wouldn’t one?

By: mythago

mythago — Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:49:10 +0000

if all of our sexual organs are for reproduction

Well, there’s your problem. The assumption that evolution is efficient and functional should have fallen apart the first time humans figured out what the appendix is for.

By: Hugo

Hugo — Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:54:01 +0000

I promise you, Rainbow, I do just that. A couple of semesters ago, I had the president of Campus Crusade take my class — I was the advisor, of course — and she was quite willing to debate, in an irenic and charming way.

By: Rainbow

Rainbow — Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:31:14 +0000

All I have been trying to convey the last few months is that to me you come across with a liberal, sexual freedom bias in your posts. You bemoan the hookup culture but defend a young person’s right to choose it. If I were in your class I think I would shut up totally after the first 2 weeks in order to protect my gradepoint average. Maybe, you encourage social conservatives enough in class that they are not afraid to talk.

By: Hugo

Hugo — Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:54:50 +0000

Noumena, that’s fascinating — I’ll have a chat with my Dad (who has been teaching Kant for forty years, and wrote a book on him) about this…

Rainbow, I’ve had porn stars and virginal conservatives in my classes before, and they have coexisted happily — and both, I think, felt heard and validated.