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		<title>By: littlem</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/04/06/men-women-homosociality-and-weight/#comment-20766</link>
		<dc:creator>littlem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 03:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/04/06/men-women-homosociality-and-weight/#comment-20766</guid>
		<description>I like what Mayer says:

"In this highly technological and complicated world, most men are feeling incompetent and scared. And women are paying the price. Amidst their agony, men have made women, their one potential ally, their enemies. Men are also going through a major crisis of sexual identity. The last thing they need is any challenges to their masculinity. Trying to keep women &lt;i&gt;physically small and feeble,&lt;/i&gt; (emphasis mine) uncertain about their own sexual identity, and preoccupied with their body image is just what the doctor ordered (literally). One way that women might reclaim their bodies from the tyranny of male whim and social propriety is to free themselves of the chains of dieting. Becoming bigger and stronger violates taboos, but these taboos are patrolled by men and the financial interests of the fashion industry, not by the health and well-being of women. How could we have traveled so far down the wrong road? This is not a health issue. It never was. Our physically-endowed women are labeled obese, sick, while being told to idolize shriveled creatures comprised of only skin, hair, bones and an attitude, who actually are medically the sick ones."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like what Mayer says:</p>
<p>&#8220;In this highly technological and complicated world, most men are feeling incompetent and scared. And women are paying the price. Amidst their agony, men have made women, their one potential ally, their enemies. Men are also going through a major crisis of sexual identity. The last thing they need is any challenges to their masculinity. Trying to keep women <i>physically small and feeble,</i> (emphasis mine) uncertain about their own sexual identity, and preoccupied with their body image is just what the doctor ordered (literally). One way that women might reclaim their bodies from the tyranny of male whim and social propriety is to free themselves of the chains of dieting. Becoming bigger and stronger violates taboos, but these taboos are patrolled by men and the financial interests of the fashion industry, not by the health and well-being of women. How could we have traveled so far down the wrong road? This is not a health issue. It never was. Our physically-endowed women are labeled obese, sick, while being told to idolize shriveled creatures comprised of only skin, hair, bones and an attitude, who actually are medically the sick ones.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: fatsuperman</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/04/06/men-women-homosociality-and-weight/#comment-20765</link>
		<dc:creator>fatsuperman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 21:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/04/06/men-women-homosociality-and-weight/#comment-20765</guid>
		<description>How come no one is allowed to discuss the subject of weight with a spouse!  Everytime the subject is brought up the person that dare ask about a spouses weight is attacked on forums and or anywhere the subject is brought up on the internet?

I suspect that the reason is censorship..we have enough overweight people in this country who are afraid of the subject hitting home that they are attempting to take the subject off the table and eliminate any debate.

I start www.myfatspouse.com because of this to give these people a forum where they won't be attacked for dare bringing up the subject.  If they do have a valid arguement they don't have to worry about someone nit picking every piece of grammer and spelling because the nit picker knows the post is correct!

No one wants to acknowledge the fact that attractiveness is greatly based on physical appearances and to deny it would be denying reality.  But this doesn't even go into the bigger issue of the health implications of weight and what it does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How come no one is allowed to discuss the subject of weight with a spouse!  Everytime the subject is brought up the person that dare ask about a spouses weight is attacked on forums and or anywhere the subject is brought up on the internet?</p>
<p>I suspect that the reason is censorship..we have enough overweight people in this country who are afraid of the subject hitting home that they are attempting to take the subject off the table and eliminate any debate.</p>
<p>I start <a href="http://www.myfatspouse.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.myfatspouse.com</a> because of this to give these people a forum where they won&#8217;t be attacked for dare bringing up the subject.  If they do have a valid arguement they don&#8217;t have to worry about someone nit picking every piece of grammer and spelling because the nit picker knows the post is correct!</p>
<p>No one wants to acknowledge the fact that attractiveness is greatly based on physical appearances and to deny it would be denying reality.  But this doesn&#8217;t even go into the bigger issue of the health implications of weight and what it does.</p>
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		<title>By: Oh, for the love of God...</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/04/06/men-women-homosociality-and-weight/#comment-20767</link>
		<dc:creator>Oh, for the love of God...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/04/06/men-women-homosociality-and-weight/#comment-20767</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;A few thoughts on weight&lt;/strong&gt;

Via Happy Feminist (see previous post), I came across the April 18th Carnival of the Feminists (just what I needmore time-suck blog reading!).  Via CofF, Im finding a plethora of fascinating posts about women, marriage, weight, and body-...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>A few thoughts on weight</strong></p>
<p>Via Happy Feminist (see previous post), I came across the April 18th Carnival of the Feminists (just what I needmore time-suck blog reading!).  Via CofF, Im finding a plethora of fascinating posts about women, marriage, weight, and body-&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bmmg39</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/04/06/men-women-homosociality-and-weight/#comment-20764</link>
		<dc:creator>bmmg39</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/04/06/men-women-homosociality-and-weight/#comment-20764</guid>
		<description>"It's insulting to both sexes to suggest that women are greedy sexless gold-diggers, and that men are helpless victims of their sex drive."

I agree. Certainly, SOME people fit these stereotypes, but I'd just as soon not be placed in a box with them.

boy genteel
End violence against women AND men.
www.safe4all.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s insulting to both sexes to suggest that women are greedy sexless gold-diggers, and that men are helpless victims of their sex drive.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree. Certainly, SOME people fit these stereotypes, but I&#8217;d just as soon not be placed in a box with them.</p>
<p>boy genteel<br />
End violence against women AND men.<br />
<a href="http://www.safe4all.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.safe4all.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: mythago</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/04/06/men-women-homosociality-and-weight/#comment-20763</link>
		<dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/04/06/men-women-homosociality-and-weight/#comment-20763</guid>
		<description>Sarah, realize that those people are the same ones who buy into the idea that the desire of men to want supermodels is somehow hard-coded into our genes. If you buy that, then you also have to buy the other sociobiological arguments--namely, that all women care about is money, and the reason that teenage girls go bonkers over Orlando Bloom is purely about his net worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah, realize that those people are the same ones who buy into the idea that the desire of men to want supermodels is somehow hard-coded into our genes. If you buy that, then you also have to buy the other sociobiological arguments&#8211;namely, that all women care about is money, and the reason that teenage girls go bonkers over Orlando Bloom is purely about his net worth.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/04/06/men-women-homosociality-and-weight/#comment-20762</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/04/06/men-women-homosociality-and-weight/#comment-20762</guid>
		<description>It's interesting how people have started using a man's wealth as the male analogue of female beauty.  Nothing new about that idea, of course, but it comes from a lot of nasty stereotypes, not least the one that men are interested in sex, while women are interested in material things.  Looking at reality for a moment, of course most people are interested in both those things and everything inbetween, regardless of their gender.  It's insulting to both sexes to suggest that women are greedy sexless gold-diggers, and that men are helpless victims of their sex drive.  

The equivalent of a woman gaining weight is not a man losing his job or his money.  The equivalent of a woman gaining weight is a man gaining weight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting how people have started using a man&#8217;s wealth as the male analogue of female beauty.  Nothing new about that idea, of course, but it comes from a lot of nasty stereotypes, not least the one that men are interested in sex, while women are interested in material things.  Looking at reality for a moment, of course most people are interested in both those things and everything inbetween, regardless of their gender.  It&#8217;s insulting to both sexes to suggest that women are greedy sexless gold-diggers, and that men are helpless victims of their sex drive.  </p>
<p>The equivalent of a woman gaining weight is not a man losing his job or his money.  The equivalent of a woman gaining weight is a man gaining weight.</p>
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		<title>By: Vampiris</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/04/06/men-women-homosociality-and-weight/#comment-20761</link>
		<dc:creator>Vampiris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/04/06/men-women-homosociality-and-weight/#comment-20761</guid>
		<description>Interesting. I wonder how any of these girls would react if their man dropped about twenty or thirty pounds--off his checkbook. I know many women who are considered level-headed who would leave their man in a heartbeat if he lost his job or something like that, even if he was working hard to find a new one, or indeed, found a new one that paid less than the previous job.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. I wonder how any of these girls would react if their man dropped about twenty or thirty pounds&#8211;off his checkbook. I know many women who are considered level-headed who would leave their man in a heartbeat if he lost his job or something like that, even if he was working hard to find a new one, or indeed, found a new one that paid less than the previous job.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s good for the goose is good for the gander.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristie Vosper</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/04/06/men-women-homosociality-and-weight/#comment-20760</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristie Vosper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/04/06/men-women-homosociality-and-weight/#comment-20760</guid>
		<description>Fact of the matter remains that if 2 people truly love each other, all of this stuff just simply won't matter.  Love is a choice, it is a way that we behave towards one another.  It is all the things that 1 Corintians 13 says it is: patient, kind, not selfish...etc.  When we recieve and give love in an active sort of way, these conditional clauses aren't even in the same catagory.  Seems that this whole thing of leaving someone because they gain weight has more to do with the end of infatuation...not love.  They are different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fact of the matter remains that if 2 people truly love each other, all of this stuff just simply won&#8217;t matter.  Love is a choice, it is a way that we behave towards one another.  It is all the things that 1 Corintians 13 says it is: patient, kind, not selfish&#8230;etc.  When we recieve and give love in an active sort of way, these conditional clauses aren&#8217;t even in the same catagory.  Seems that this whole thing of leaving someone because they gain weight has more to do with the end of infatuation&#8230;not love.  They are different.</p>
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		<title>By: mythago</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/04/06/men-women-homosociality-and-weight/#comment-20759</link>
		<dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/04/06/men-women-homosociality-and-weight/#comment-20759</guid>
		<description>Anthony, it's true that men want their partners to be sexy &lt;i&gt;to them&lt;/i&gt;. It's also true that plenty of men are concerned about how hot their wife/girlfriend is perceived by other men. Do you really believe the two are incompatible? Have you really never heard the slang term 'moped' for an overweight woman?

&lt;i&gt;you're both acting as if this is an all-or-nothing thing&lt;/i&gt;

The subject of Hugo's post was not an article about how to deal with your girlfriend turning morbidly obese, giving up regular bathing, or any serious changes: it's how to get her to lose weight, period. &lt;i&gt;You&lt;/i&gt; may not personally know any men so shallow, but does that mean no AskMen reader is?

(For that matter, I don't think women who fuss about their husband/boyfriend gaining a few pounds are any less assholish.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony, it&#8217;s true that men want their partners to be sexy <i>to them</i>. It&#8217;s also true that plenty of men are concerned about how hot their wife/girlfriend is perceived by other men. Do you really believe the two are incompatible? Have you really never heard the slang term &#8216;moped&#8217; for an overweight woman?</p>
<p><i>you&#8217;re both acting as if this is an all-or-nothing thing</i></p>
<p>The subject of Hugo&#8217;s post was not an article about how to deal with your girlfriend turning morbidly obese, giving up regular bathing, or any serious changes: it&#8217;s how to get her to lose weight, period. <i>You</i> may not personally know any men so shallow, but does that mean no AskMen reader is?</p>
<p>(For that matter, I don&#8217;t think women who fuss about their husband/boyfriend gaining a few pounds are any less assholish.)</p>
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		<title>By: sophonisba</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/04/06/men-women-homosociality-and-weight/#comment-20758</link>
		<dc:creator>sophonisba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 22:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/04/06/men-women-homosociality-and-weight/#comment-20758</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Sophonisba and Mythago, you're both acting as if this is an all-or-nothing thing - that if a man isn't willing to stay with a partner no matter what changes she goes through, he's a shallow asshole.&lt;/i&gt;

No, you haven't read what I've said.  What I said was that any partner in any relationship has the right to leave at any time, for any reason. Whether he or she is shallow or an asshole depends on a number of factors: how serious the relationship is, whether promises have been made, whether he or she has claimed to love the other partner, and so on. But I said quite clearly that if a man is repulsed by his lover's body, let alone if he's unable to sustain respect or affection for her, he should leave. Not, he can leave - he &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; leave. 

Staying with her and insulting her looks, or screwing her with the lights out so he doesn't have to look at her,  or trying to shame or bully her into slimming down, that's what makes him a shallow asshole. Leaving is much, much better than any of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sophonisba and Mythago, you&#8217;re both acting as if this is an all-or-nothing thing - that if a man isn&#8217;t willing to stay with a partner no matter what changes she goes through, he&#8217;s a shallow asshole.</i></p>
<p>No, you haven&#8217;t read what I&#8217;ve said.  What I said was that any partner in any relationship has the right to leave at any time, for any reason. Whether he or she is shallow or an asshole depends on a number of factors: how serious the relationship is, whether promises have been made, whether he or she has claimed to love the other partner, and so on. But I said quite clearly that if a man is repulsed by his lover&#8217;s body, let alone if he&#8217;s unable to sustain respect or affection for her, he should leave. Not, he can leave - he <i>should</i> leave. </p>
<p>Staying with her and insulting her looks, or screwing her with the lights out so he doesn&#8217;t have to look at her,  or trying to shame or bully her into slimming down, that&#8217;s what makes him a shallow asshole. Leaving is much, much better than any of that.</p>
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