Comments on: A long post on pro-feminist men and the “fear of faggotry” http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/05/30/a-long-post-on-pro-feminist-men-and-the-fear-of-faggotry/ Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:40:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Lynn Gazis-Sax http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/05/30/a-long-post-on-pro-feminist-men-and-the-fear-of-faggotry/#comment-23059 Lynn Gazis-Sax Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:39:41 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/05/30/a-long-post-on-pro-feminist-men-and-the-fear-of-faggotry/#comment-23059 Frankly, I don't give a damn what specific behavior someone wants to insult by comparing a man to my genitals. Frankly, I don’t give a damn what specific behavior someone wants to insult by comparing a man to my genitals.

]]> By: mythago http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/05/30/a-long-post-on-pro-feminist-men-and-the-fear-of-faggotry/#comment-23058 mythago Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:17:10 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/05/30/a-long-post-on-pro-feminist-men-and-the-fear-of-faggotry/#comment-23058 So, to sum up: two wrongs make a right, and "mangina" is a neutral term meaning "syncophantic towards women". So, to sum up: two wrongs make a right, and “mangina” is a neutral term meaning “syncophantic towards women”.

]]> By: MVa http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/05/30/a-long-post-on-pro-feminist-men-and-the-fear-of-faggotry/#comment-23057 MVa Sun, 04 Jun 2006 20:28:06 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/05/30/a-long-post-on-pro-feminist-men-and-the-fear-of-faggotry/#comment-23057 <i>If knowing your enemy means wading through the bile at SYG to catalogue insults, thank you, but no.</i> I can easily comment on the details of MRA's insults, because I know very (VERY VERY) well that feminists do not hold any moral high ground here - they have their own lexicon of insults they like to use against anyone disagreeing with their litany of alleged crimes against women. <i>I suspect we're beating a dead horse here, but how is that defensible? You're claim that's not questioning sexuality, but rather calling him a sycophant. How on earth is "mangina" NOT questioning someone's sexuality in of itself?</i> Well, allow me to repeat myself : read the context. People are calling him a sycophant. They're not calling him gay. I couldn't care less if they WERE calling him gay, but Hugo decided to base this thread on an inaccuracy. If knowing your enemy means wading through the bile at SYG to catalogue insults, thank you, but no.

I can easily comment on the details of MRA’s insults, because I know very (VERY VERY) well that feminists do not hold any moral high ground here - they have their own lexicon of insults they like to use against anyone disagreeing with their litany of alleged crimes against women.

I suspect we’re beating a dead horse here, but how is that defensible? You’re claim that’s not questioning sexuality, but rather calling him a sycophant. How on earth is “mangina” NOT questioning someone’s sexuality in of itself?

Well, allow me to repeat myself : read the context. People are calling him a sycophant. They’re not calling him gay. I couldn’t care less if they WERE calling him gay, but Hugo decided to base this thread on an inaccuracy.

]]> By: mythago http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/05/30/a-long-post-on-pro-feminist-men-and-the-fear-of-faggotry/#comment-23056 mythago Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:39:03 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/05/30/a-long-post-on-pro-feminist-men-and-the-fear-of-faggotry/#comment-23056 But see, it's bad to call a man queer; it's OK to insult him by comparing him to a woman's genitals! But see, it’s bad to call a man queer; it’s OK to insult him by comparing him to a woman’s genitals!

]]> By: evil_fizz http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/05/30/a-long-post-on-pro-feminist-men-and-the-fear-of-faggotry/#comment-23055 evil_fizz Sun, 04 Jun 2006 10:11:06 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/05/30/a-long-post-on-pro-feminist-men-and-the-fear-of-faggotry/#comment-23055 If knowing your enemy means wading through the bile at SYG to catalogue insults, thank you, but no. I still don't understand why you want to make a distinction between calling a man a mangina and queer, as though somehow one's more forgiveable than the other. They're both intended to emasculate, right? They're both meant to be crass insults. <i>Most people using that word say things like "what a mangina, sucking up to women no matter what" or "manginas who campaign for women just to get some of that sought after female approval" - it's all there on SYG.</i> I suspect we're beating a dead horse here, but how is that defensible? You're claim that's not questioning sexuality, but rather calling him a sycophant. How on earth is "mangina" NOT questioning someone's sexuality in of itself? If knowing your enemy means wading through the bile at SYG to catalogue insults, thank you, but no.

I still don’t understand why you want to make a distinction between calling a man a mangina and queer, as though somehow one’s more forgiveable than the other. They’re both intended to emasculate, right? They’re both meant to be crass insults.

Most people using that word say things like “what a mangina, sucking up to women no matter what” or “manginas who campaign for women just to get some of that sought after female approval” - it’s all there on SYG.

I suspect we’re beating a dead horse here, but how is that defensible? You’re claim that’s not questioning sexuality, but rather calling him a sycophant. How on earth is “mangina” NOT questioning someone’s sexuality in of itself?

]]> By: MVa http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/05/30/a-long-post-on-pro-feminist-men-and-the-fear-of-faggotry/#comment-23054 MVa Sun, 04 Jun 2006 06:56:06 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/05/30/a-long-post-on-pro-feminist-men-and-the-fear-of-faggotry/#comment-23054 <i>Mangina is clearly intended to be an insult on its face. It's not a reference to sycophantic behavior. It means unmanly, effeminate, and queer, all of which are intended to be insults.</i> That's your take on it without actually reading the context of how the word is used. Most people using that word say things like "what a mangina, sucking up to women no matter what" or "manginas who campaign for women just to get some of that sought after female approval" - it's all there on SYG. Most of the time, people are pretty explicit with the use of the word. I just think it's better to 'know thy enemy' than make wild guesses about them. Mangina is clearly intended to be an insult on its face. It’s not a reference to sycophantic behavior. It means unmanly, effeminate, and queer, all of which are intended to be insults.

That’s your take on it without actually reading the context of how the word is used. Most people using that word say things like “what a mangina, sucking up to women no matter what” or “manginas who campaign for women just to get some of that sought after female approval” - it’s all there on SYG. Most of the time, people are pretty explicit with the use of the word.

I just think it’s better to ‘know thy enemy’ than make wild guesses about them.

]]> By: evil_fizz http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/05/30/a-long-post-on-pro-feminist-men-and-the-fear-of-faggotry/#comment-23053 evil_fizz Sat, 03 Jun 2006 23:38:16 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/05/30/a-long-post-on-pro-feminist-men-and-the-fear-of-faggotry/#comment-23053 <i>I found almost exclusively that the number one derogatory term is "mangina". The way this word is used, I most definitely would equate this to sycophantic behaviour, not your sexual orientation.</i> Mangina is clearly intended to be an insult on its face. It's not a reference to sycophantic behavior. It means unmanly, effeminate, and queer, all of which are intended to be insults. I found almost exclusively that the number one derogatory term is “mangina”. The way this word is used, I most definitely would equate this to sycophantic behaviour, not your sexual orientation.

Mangina is clearly intended to be an insult on its face. It’s not a reference to sycophantic behavior. It means unmanly, effeminate, and queer, all of which are intended to be insults.

]]> By: MVa http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/05/30/a-long-post-on-pro-feminist-men-and-the-fear-of-faggotry/#comment-23052 MVa Sat, 03 Jun 2006 18:14:11 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/05/30/a-long-post-on-pro-feminist-men-and-the-fear-of-faggotry/#comment-23052 I did do a search and I found the shades of pale quote and none others. I found a whole thread on "ken doll" pro-feminist men. I found almost exclusively that the number one derogatory term is "mangina". The way this word is used, I most definitely would equate this to sycophantic behaviour, not your sexual orientation. Sure there are some people who simply say you're gay for being pro-feminist, but it's like an MRA saying feminists tend to call him a rapist because one or two did - when in fact the most common derogatory terms feminists throw is to question the man's alpha-status / shame him (mostly feminists call MRAs "losers", "deadbeats", "misogynists" etc - always questioning the status of the man or shaming him). I'm not disagreeing with you that SOME guys call you this - I'm disagreeing with the idea that it's as common as you say it is. I did do a search and I found the shades of pale quote and none others. I found a whole thread on “ken doll” pro-feminist men. I found almost exclusively that the number one derogatory term is “mangina”. The way this word is used, I most definitely would equate this to sycophantic behaviour, not your sexual orientation. Sure there are some people who simply say you’re gay for being pro-feminist, but it’s like an MRA saying feminists tend to call him a rapist because one or two did - when in fact the most common derogatory terms feminists throw is to question the man’s alpha-status / shame him (mostly feminists call MRAs “losers”, “deadbeats”, “misogynists” etc - always questioning the status of the man or shaming him). I’m not disagreeing with you that SOME guys call you this - I’m disagreeing with the idea that it’s as common as you say it is.

]]> By: mythago http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/05/30/a-long-post-on-pro-feminist-men-and-the-fear-of-faggotry/#comment-23051 mythago Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:50:42 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/05/30/a-long-post-on-pro-feminist-men-and-the-fear-of-faggotry/#comment-23051 You have to wonder where these manly men get their encyclopedic knowledge of what gay men are like, eh? You have to wonder where these manly men get their encyclopedic knowledge of what gay men are like, eh?

]]> By: Hugo http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/05/30/a-long-post-on-pro-feminist-men-and-the-fear-of-faggotry/#comment-23050 Hugo Sat, 03 Jun 2006 14:15:20 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2006/05/30/a-long-post-on-pro-feminist-men-and-the-fear-of-faggotry/#comment-23050 At Nice Guys forum, I am referred to by Voodoojock at least twice as "The Queen from Pasadena". Shades of Pale writes at Stand Your Ground: "Don't know many flaming gay men do you tb? Hehe. I actually assumed Hugo wasn't in the closet; that his "marriages" were to other pansy-boys. Ol' Hugh flames like the goddamn Olympic torch honey. Perhaps his misandry is merely a cover so he can continue to deny it to himself." Do some thread searches using my name, MVa, you'll find oodles and oodles more. At Nice Guys forum, I am referred to by Voodoojock at least twice as “The Queen from Pasadena”.

Shades of Pale writes at Stand Your Ground:

“Don’t know many flaming gay men do you tb? Hehe. I actually assumed Hugo wasn’t in the closet; that his “marriages” were to other pansy-boys.

Ol’ Hugh flames like the goddamn Olympic torch honey. Perhaps his misandry is merely a cover so he can continue to deny it to himself.”

Do some thread searches using my name, MVa, you’ll find oodles and oodles more.

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