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	<title>Comments on: More on Amanda and Edwards</title>
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		<title>By: PaleShades</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/02/05/more-on-amanda-and-edwards/#comment-45630</link>
		<dc:creator>PaleShades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/02/05/more-on-amanda-and-edwards/#comment-45630</guid>
		<description>"One of the most bizarre comments I heard (often) in defense of Marcotte was most clearly made by Amp: “Nor is it just about our right to say bad words, like “cunt” and “fuck,” on our own private website without becoming unemployable.” Private? PRIVATE?? You might have an expectation of privacy on your own website if you don’t want your words seen by Eccentric Gallumbits, The Triple-Breasted Whore of Eroticon VI. Between and among Earthlings, though, it’s the least private thing possible. I hope, that if she’s going to be blogmistress for the leader of the free world, she learns what “www” stands for."

Haha.  Duh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One of the most bizarre comments I heard (often) in defense of Marcotte was most clearly made by Amp: “Nor is it just about our right to say bad words, like “cunt” and “fuck,” on our own private website without becoming unemployable.” Private? PRIVATE?? You might have an expectation of privacy on your own website if you don’t want your words seen by Eccentric Gallumbits, The Triple-Breasted Whore of Eroticon VI. Between and among Earthlings, though, it’s the least private thing possible. I hope, that if she’s going to be blogmistress for the leader of the free world, she learns what “www” stands for.&#8221;</p>
<p>Haha.  Duh!</p>
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		<title>By: PaleShades</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/02/05/more-on-amanda-and-edwards/#comment-45628</link>
		<dc:creator>PaleShades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/02/05/more-on-amanda-and-edwards/#comment-45628</guid>
		<description>"Q: What if Mary had taken Plan B after the Lord filled her with his hot, white, sticky Holy Spirit?

A: You’d have to justify your misogyny with another ancient mythology. "

And you, an alleged "Christian" are now defending this shit.  You are the definition of pCm (pseudoChristianMoron).   You've sold your soul, sicko.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Q: What if Mary had taken Plan B after the Lord filled her with his hot, white, sticky Holy Spirit?</p>
<p>A: You’d have to justify your misogyny with another ancient mythology. &#8221;</p>
<p>And you, an alleged &#8220;Christian&#8221; are now defending this shit.  You are the definition of pCm (pseudoChristianMoron).   You&#8217;ve sold your soul, sicko.</p>
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		<title>By: otterick</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/02/05/more-on-amanda-and-edwards/#comment-30817</link>
		<dc:creator>otterick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 05:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/02/05/more-on-amanda-and-edwards/#comment-30817</guid>
		<description>Colin: "What I find fascinating is how many people on the fringe of both the right and left go around looking for sticks that are trying to poke their eyes out. Then they generalize that all of the left/right is that way. Talk about juvenile, reductionist thinking. This “othering” is what should be publicly flogged."

Best I can tell, the only difference between Marcotte and Malkin is that they go to rival junior high schools. What's amazing is the degree of reductionist thinking; that is, the utter insularity of it. Hugo says it so well (as do many others on both wings of the same turkey): "How many of those condemning Edwards for his choice in hiring Amanda would ever have voted for him anyway?” Come to think of it, if I remember my developmental psychology, it's right around the age of junior high that kids become aware of a world beyond their own neighborhoods. Not quite having yet reached that stage, neither side can imagine a world beyond their two junior highs; that is, neither side can possibly imagine that there's a world of moderates out there who might be deeply alienated and dissolusioned by all this "you're a wingnut, no you're a wingnut."

It was very telling, for example, that many of Marcotte's supporters were "upset with Edwards' tone," failing to notice the tone of Marcotte's nonapology apology - the classic "I'm sorry IF..." This is the condescension concession. It says so much that, when the money's on the line, this tough-talkin' master satirist can do no better than mutter a few cliched weasel words.

One of the most bizarre comments I heard (often) in defense of Marcotte was most clearly made by Amp: "Nor is it just about our right to say bad words, like “cunt” and “fuck,” on our own private website without becoming unemployable." Private? PRIVATE?? You might have an expectation of privacy on your own website if you don't want your words seen by Eccentric Gallumbits, The Triple-Breasted Whore of Eroticon VI.  Between and among Earthlings, though, it's the least private thing possible. I hope, that if she's going to be blogmistress for the leader of the free world, she learns what "www" stands for.

One thing that both sides have said is true; the blogosphere is going to become increasingly important to our political discourse. My travels through that sphere tell me we're in deep shit. 

I'm hoping what happened is this - Edwards and Marcotte reached a deal in which he'd announce that he was supporting her and, a few days later, she'd resign. If she cares about him, she'll do it regardless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin: &#8220;What I find fascinating is how many people on the fringe of both the right and left go around looking for sticks that are trying to poke their eyes out. Then they generalize that all of the left/right is that way. Talk about juvenile, reductionist thinking. This “othering” is what should be publicly flogged.&#8221;</p>
<p>Best I can tell, the only difference between Marcotte and Malkin is that they go to rival junior high schools. What&#8217;s amazing is the degree of reductionist thinking; that is, the utter insularity of it. Hugo says it so well (as do many others on both wings of the same turkey): &#8220;How many of those condemning Edwards for his choice in hiring Amanda would ever have voted for him anyway?” Come to think of it, if I remember my developmental psychology, it&#8217;s right around the age of junior high that kids become aware of a world beyond their own neighborhoods. Not quite having yet reached that stage, neither side can imagine a world beyond their two junior highs; that is, neither side can possibly imagine that there&#8217;s a world of moderates out there who might be deeply alienated and dissolusioned by all this &#8220;you&#8217;re a wingnut, no you&#8217;re a wingnut.&#8221;</p>
<p>It was very telling, for example, that many of Marcotte&#8217;s supporters were &#8220;upset with Edwards&#8217; tone,&#8221; failing to notice the tone of Marcotte&#8217;s nonapology apology - the classic &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry IF&#8230;&#8221; This is the condescension concession. It says so much that, when the money&#8217;s on the line, this tough-talkin&#8217; master satirist can do no better than mutter a few cliched weasel words.</p>
<p>One of the most bizarre comments I heard (often) in defense of Marcotte was most clearly made by Amp: &#8220;Nor is it just about our right to say bad words, like “cunt” and “fuck,” on our own private website without becoming unemployable.&#8221; Private? PRIVATE?? You might have an expectation of privacy on your own website if you don&#8217;t want your words seen by Eccentric Gallumbits, The Triple-Breasted Whore of Eroticon VI.  Between and among Earthlings, though, it&#8217;s the least private thing possible. I hope, that if she&#8217;s going to be blogmistress for the leader of the free world, she learns what &#8220;www&#8221; stands for.</p>
<p>One thing that both sides have said is true; the blogosphere is going to become increasingly important to our political discourse. My travels through that sphere tell me we&#8217;re in deep shit. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping what happened is this - Edwards and Marcotte reached a deal in which he&#8217;d announce that he was supporting her and, a few days later, she&#8217;d resign. If she cares about him, she&#8217;ll do it regardless.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/02/05/more-on-amanda-and-edwards/#comment-30786</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 19:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/02/05/more-on-amanda-and-edwards/#comment-30786</guid>
		<description>Regarding comments like this: "[Amanda is a] blogger whose blog is known only for poking a stick in people’s eyes as often as possible?"

What I find fascinating is how many people on the fringe of both the right and left go around looking for sticks that are trying to poke their eyes out. Then they generalize that all of the left/right is that way. Talk about juvenile, reductionist thinking. This "othering" is what should be publicly flogged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding comments like this: &#8220;[Amanda is a] blogger whose blog is known only for poking a stick in people’s eyes as often as possible?&#8221;</p>
<p>What I find fascinating is how many people on the fringe of both the right and left go around looking for sticks that are trying to poke their eyes out. Then they generalize that all of the left/right is that way. Talk about juvenile, reductionist thinking. This &#8220;othering&#8221; is what should be publicly flogged.</p>
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		<title>By: YetAnotherRick</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/02/05/more-on-amanda-and-edwards/#comment-30713</link>
		<dc:creator>YetAnotherRick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 18:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/02/05/more-on-amanda-and-edwards/#comment-30713</guid>
		<description>Well, looks like this phase of the battle is over. Hugo and the netroots have their Candidate With Cajones, who will likely win the primary, Amanda keeps her job, and the Millstone Sisters will sink Edwards in the general. Amanda's so-called apology is so terribly dishonest. She sold out for a cushy job. I'm still puzzled as to why she ever wanted to work for a born-again godbag who doesn't support gay marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, looks like this phase of the battle is over. Hugo and the netroots have their Candidate With Cajones, who will likely win the primary, Amanda keeps her job, and the Millstone Sisters will sink Edwards in the general. Amanda&#8217;s so-called apology is so terribly dishonest. She sold out for a cushy job. I&#8217;m still puzzled as to why she ever wanted to work for a born-again godbag who doesn&#8217;t support gay marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/02/05/more-on-amanda-and-edwards/#comment-30712</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/02/05/more-on-amanda-and-edwards/#comment-30712</guid>
		<description>I think you've nailed it, Tether.

I used to teach 13 and 14 year-olds and nothing delights them like the fuckity fuck fuck ad nauseum.

Except for drawing penises in textbooks.  

Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;ve nailed it, Tether.</p>
<p>I used to teach 13 and 14 year-olds and nothing delights them like the fuckity fuck fuck ad nauseum.</p>
<p>Except for drawing penises in textbooks.  </p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Tether</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/02/05/more-on-amanda-and-edwards/#comment-30708</link>
		<dc:creator>Tether</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/02/05/more-on-amanda-and-edwards/#comment-30708</guid>
		<description>Here's what makes Amanda unique: When I was 13 or 14, we got into the "fucking this" and "fucking shit that" because it was new and it made teachers and other adults mad. We would have laughed our heads off at the irreverence of the "holy spirit's jizz being in Mary". Haw haw. What makes Amanda unique among most adults is that she has continued on at that level as an adult.

I don't personally find her insightful or intelligent, but she's a fun read because most adults have learned the value of trying to present their ideas in a more ... adult ... way. She's kind of like the comedian who gets laughs for putting things in his nose and eating worms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what makes Amanda unique: When I was 13 or 14, we got into the &#8220;fucking this&#8221; and &#8220;fucking shit that&#8221; because it was new and it made teachers and other adults mad. We would have laughed our heads off at the irreverence of the &#8220;holy spirit&#8217;s jizz being in Mary&#8221;. Haw haw. What makes Amanda unique among most adults is that she has continued on at that level as an adult.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t personally find her insightful or intelligent, but she&#8217;s a fun read because most adults have learned the value of trying to present their ideas in a more &#8230; adult &#8230; way. She&#8217;s kind of like the comedian who gets laughs for putting things in his nose and eating worms.</p>
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		<title>By: John Doe</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/02/05/more-on-amanda-and-edwards/#comment-30703</link>
		<dc:creator>John Doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/02/05/more-on-amanda-and-edwards/#comment-30703</guid>
		<description>Hugo -- one last word -- whatever your feelings about Amanda Marcotte, *surely* you realize that she has written many, many things that would strike about 90% of Christians (of all stripes) as deeply offensive and derogatory.  Surely you realize that this sort of "passion" or "satire" or whatever you call it would come back to bite Edwards in the ass, and would undermine his attempt to look moderate and reasonable in the eyes of middle-of-the-road voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugo &#8212; one last word &#8212; whatever your feelings about Amanda Marcotte, *surely* you realize that she has written many, many things that would strike about 90% of Christians (of all stripes) as deeply offensive and derogatory.  Surely you realize that this sort of &#8220;passion&#8221; or &#8220;satire&#8221; or whatever you call it would come back to bite Edwards in the ass, and would undermine his attempt to look moderate and reasonable in the eyes of middle-of-the-road voters.</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/02/05/more-on-amanda-and-edwards/#comment-30693</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 07:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/02/05/more-on-amanda-and-edwards/#comment-30693</guid>
		<description>You want biting satire?  &lt;a href="http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2007/02/the_pandagon_pa.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; is biting satire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You want biting satire?  <a href="http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2007/02/the_pandagon_pa.html" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is biting satire.</p>
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		<title>By: otterick</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/02/05/more-on-amanda-and-edwards/#comment-30688</link>
		<dc:creator>otterick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 03:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/02/05/more-on-amanda-and-edwards/#comment-30688</guid>
		<description>Thomas: "sat·ire /ˈsætaɪər/ –noun"

Regardless of the dictionary definition, in common usage, it seems, sarcasm is considered low-brow; in particular it is meant for no purpose other than to wound. The word derives from the Greed word "sarx," meaning to tear flesh. Satire can be uplifting even to those who hold contrary views and is generally held in higher esteem by most people.

Thomas: "I should add that the only people who seem to deny that what Amanda does is satire, are those who hold the views she skewers"

I deny it and I generally do not hold the views she skewers. I think we can agree on a definition of "only."

Hugo: "How many of those condemning Edwards for his choice in hiring Amanda would ever have voted for him anyway?"

Count me. And I never find that I'm all that unique.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas: &#8220;sat·ire /ˈsætaɪər/ –noun&#8221;</p>
<p>Regardless of the dictionary definition, in common usage, it seems, sarcasm is considered low-brow; in particular it is meant for no purpose other than to wound. The word derives from the Greed word &#8220;sarx,&#8221; meaning to tear flesh. Satire can be uplifting even to those who hold contrary views and is generally held in higher esteem by most people.</p>
<p>Thomas: &#8220;I should add that the only people who seem to deny that what Amanda does is satire, are those who hold the views she skewers&#8221;</p>
<p>I deny it and I generally do not hold the views she skewers. I think we can agree on a definition of &#8220;only.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hugo: &#8220;How many of those condemning Edwards for his choice in hiring Amanda would ever have voted for him anyway?&#8221;</p>
<p>Count me. And I never find that I&#8217;m all that unique.</p>
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