Comments on: The Shirley Chisholm model: some thoughts on feminism and racism http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/24/the-shirley-chisholm-model-some-thoughts-on-feminism-and-racism/ Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:48:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Rivikah http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/24/the-shirley-chisholm-model-some-thoughts-on-feminism-and-racism/#comment-61904 Rivikah Tue, 29 May 2007 21:37:16 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/24/the-shirley-chisholm-model-some-thoughts-on-feminism-and-racism/#comment-61904 <blockquote>Too often, white feminists overtly or obliquely ask women of color to turn their backs on what white feminists assume is a culture so steeped in misogyny that it cannot possibly be redeemed.</blockquote> Interesting. I've noticed a similar kind of situation in the context of religion as well. Of course that's tied up with race and culture too and religious oppression is an entirely different kind of thing again, but it seems like you sometimes get a similar kind of implication from secular feminists. There can be a pretty strong implication that certain religions (or all of them depending who you talk to) are irredeemably misogynist and should be abandoned or dismantled for our own good.

Too often, white feminists overtly or obliquely ask women of color to turn their backs on what white feminists assume is a culture so steeped in misogyny that it cannot possibly be redeemed.

Interesting.

I’ve noticed a similar kind of situation in the context of religion as well. Of course that’s tied up with race and culture too and religious oppression is an entirely different kind of thing again, but it seems like you sometimes get a similar kind of implication from secular feminists. There can be a pretty strong implication that certain religions (or all of them depending who you talk to) are irredeemably misogynist and should be abandoned or dismantled for our own good.

]]> By: Sociopathic Revelation http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/24/the-shirley-chisholm-model-some-thoughts-on-feminism-and-racism/#comment-60656 Sociopathic Revelation Sat, 26 May 2007 07:42:37 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/24/the-shirley-chisholm-model-some-thoughts-on-feminism-and-racism/#comment-60656 I also log on to SYG once in while---if anyone is interested in contacting me there for a conversation about issues not pertinent to a thread here, just go to the intro section and ask. I'd be more than happy to continue if I have the time and means. SR I also log on to SYG once in while—if anyone is interested in contacting me there for a conversation about issues not pertinent to a thread here, just go to the intro section and ask. I’d be more than happy to continue if I have the time and means.

SR

]]> By: Mr. Bad http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/24/the-shirley-chisholm-model-some-thoughts-on-feminism-and-racism/#comment-60495 Mr. Bad Fri, 25 May 2007 23:10:09 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/24/the-shirley-chisholm-model-some-thoughts-on-feminism-and-racism/#comment-60495 Thanks Hugo. Thanks Hugo.

]]> By: Hugo Schwyzer http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/24/the-shirley-chisholm-model-some-thoughts-on-feminism-and-racism/#comment-60462 Hugo Schwyzer Fri, 25 May 2007 21:29:20 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/24/the-shirley-chisholm-model-some-thoughts-on-feminism-and-racism/#comment-60462 Mr. B, link fixed. Please, all those who wish to engage a discussion of feminism/MRA issues, visit the linked forums. Not here. Mr. B, link fixed. Please, all those who wish to engage a discussion of feminism/MRA issues, visit the linked forums. Not here.

]]> By: Shawna R. B. Atteberry http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/24/the-shirley-chisholm-model-some-thoughts-on-feminism-and-racism/#comment-60436 Shawna R. B. Atteberry Fri, 25 May 2007 19:51:13 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/24/the-shirley-chisholm-model-some-thoughts-on-feminism-and-racism/#comment-60436 Thanks for bringing up Shirley Chisholm. She was never brought up in one history class I had: high school or college. A woman ran for president, and it was skipped right over. I did not find out about her until well after my college years. I think she would have been in the history books if she were a black man. Thanks for bringing up Shirley Chisholm. She was never brought up in one history class I had: high school or college. A woman ran for president, and it was skipped right over. I did not find out about her until well after my college years. I think she would have been in the history books if she were a black man.

]]> By: Mr. Bad http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/24/the-shirley-chisholm-model-some-thoughts-on-feminism-and-racism/#comment-60435 Mr. Bad Fri, 25 May 2007 19:40:22 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/24/the-shirley-chisholm-model-some-thoughts-on-feminism-and-racism/#comment-60435 Hugo, sorry to be OT but even though I correctly entered the link to SYG in the code for my message above, your page translator garbled it. Would you please be so kind as to fix it? Thanks! Hugo, sorry to be OT but even though I correctly entered the link to SYG in the code for my message above, your page translator garbled it. Would you please be so kind as to fix it? Thanks!

]]> By: Mr. Bad http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/24/the-shirley-chisholm-model-some-thoughts-on-feminism-and-racism/#comment-60432 Mr. Bad Fri, 25 May 2007 19:35:54 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/24/the-shirley-chisholm-model-some-thoughts-on-feminism-and-racism/#comment-60432 KMTBerry, that's not a fair characterization of me or my views and IMO a cheap shot. If you would like to discuss such things with me please come visit the <a href="http://www.standyourground.com/forums/" rel="nofollow">Stand Your Ground forums</a>, sign up and start a thread. Hugo doesn't appreciate thread drift and I for one do my best to avoid causing it, either directly or indirectly. KMTBerry, that’s not a fair characterization of me or my views and IMO a cheap shot.

If you would like to discuss such things with me please come visit the Stand Your Ground forums, sign up and start a thread. Hugo doesn’t appreciate thread drift and I for one do my best to avoid causing it, either directly or indirectly.

]]> By: Hugo Schwyzer http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/24/the-shirley-chisholm-model-some-thoughts-on-feminism-and-racism/#comment-60426 Hugo Schwyzer Fri, 25 May 2007 19:24:29 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/24/the-shirley-chisholm-model-some-thoughts-on-feminism-and-racism/#comment-60426 My banning policy is not directed at persons, but at comments. I read Mr. Bad's comments carefully, and periodically delete the ones I think are beyond the Pale. You don't get to see those. My banning policy is not directed at persons, but at comments. I read Mr. Bad’s comments carefully, and periodically delete the ones I think are beyond the Pale. You don’t get to see those.

]]> By: KMTBerry http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/24/the-shirley-chisholm-model-some-thoughts-on-feminism-and-racism/#comment-60401 KMTBerry Fri, 25 May 2007 18:41:21 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/24/the-shirley-chisholm-model-some-thoughts-on-feminism-and-racism/#comment-60401 I didn't phrase that correctly. What I MEAN is, WHY, Hugo, haven't you banned Mr. Bad, when he clearly believes that Feminism is a sham and a ruse by which those wicked soulless females plan to strip him of his god-given birthrights? Sheesh. I didn’t phrase that correctly. What I MEAN is, WHY, Hugo, haven’t you banned Mr. Bad, when he clearly believes that Feminism is a sham and a ruse by which those wicked soulless females plan to strip him of his god-given birthrights?

Sheesh.

]]> By: KMTBerry http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/24/the-shirley-chisholm-model-some-thoughts-on-feminism-and-racism/#comment-60399 KMTBerry Fri, 25 May 2007 18:37:32 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/24/the-shirley-chisholm-model-some-thoughts-on-feminism-and-racism/#comment-60399 OT again, but WHY exactly is Mr Bad posting here? OT again, but WHY exactly is Mr Bad posting here?

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