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	<title>Comments on: A long response to &#8220;Debra&#8221; about older men, younger women</title>
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		<title>By: Pacific</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/06/25/a-long-response-to-debra-about-older-men-younger-women/#comment-385248</link>
		<dc:creator>Pacific</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/06/25/a-long-response-to-debra-about-older-men-younger-women/#comment-385248</guid>
		<description>TinaLouise, congratulations on your wonderful marriage. You sound like you've found what you really want. I know that Hugo would be the first to say something like "Exceptions do not disprove rules"; however, Hugo hasn't proven any of his own rules in the first place. Personally, I don't know that I would actually want someone &lt;b&gt;that&lt;/b&gt; much younger (27 years) than myself, but stranger things have happened. Say hi to Gilligan and Mary Ann for me. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TinaLouise, congratulations on your wonderful marriage. You sound like you&#8217;ve found what you really want. I know that Hugo would be the first to say something like &#8220;Exceptions do not disprove rules&#8221;; however, Hugo hasn&#8217;t proven any of his own rules in the first place. Personally, I don&#8217;t know that I would actually want someone <b>that</b> much younger (27 years) than myself, but stranger things have happened. Say hi to Gilligan and Mary Ann for me. :)</p>
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		<title>By: TinaLouise</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/06/25/a-long-response-to-debra-about-older-men-younger-women/#comment-375734</link>
		<dc:creator>TinaLouise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 06:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/06/25/a-long-response-to-debra-about-older-men-younger-women/#comment-375734</guid>
		<description>Pacific,I am a 36 year old and I have been with my wonderful husband who is 63 for 8 years now. He has helped me raise my 16 year old daughter and we have an adorable 3 year old plus a baby due in October.Let me say that this is great.we both sacrificed something for our love. He supported my dream of finishing school and financially while I know that I will be a young widow but Hey, I would rather be with someone I truely love for 20 years than to be in a lifetime of a crummy marriage, so to everyone here on this board including Debra, TAKE THAT!! By the way I bring in an IT salary and my nubby is a college professor that makes less than a school teacher in pa. SO, I loved him cause he is a damn great man and he loves me cause I am a great gal. Debra wants this guy to fail in this relationship! I hope those to people get married and make it work. Peace and love at any age, Tina P.S. It is the hottest sex ever!!! Bada Bing,,,,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pacific,I am a 36 year old and I have been with my wonderful husband who is 63 for 8 years now. He has helped me raise my 16 year old daughter and we have an adorable 3 year old plus a baby due in October.Let me say that this is great.we both sacrificed something for our love. He supported my dream of finishing school and financially while I know that I will be a young widow but Hey, I would rather be with someone I truely love for 20 years than to be in a lifetime of a crummy marriage, so to everyone here on this board including Debra, TAKE THAT!! By the way I bring in an IT salary and my nubby is a college professor that makes less than a school teacher in pa. SO, I loved him cause he is a damn great man and he loves me cause I am a great gal. Debra wants this guy to fail in this relationship! I hope those to people get married and make it work. Peace and love at any age, Tina P.S. It is the hottest sex ever!!! Bada Bing,,,,</p>
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		<title>By: Pacific</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/06/25/a-long-response-to-debra-about-older-men-younger-women/#comment-256463</link>
		<dc:creator>Pacific</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/06/25/a-long-response-to-debra-about-older-men-younger-women/#comment-256463</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;I'm curious why were you "looking for someone around 15 years younger".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Karen: as I've already explained on my lengthy post on a separate page, I want a younger woman because I've never had one. Not to mention the fact that I have more in common with younger women than with women in my peer group, because younger women and I more easily match up with similar levels of life experience. A 35-y.o. would be good; a 32-y.o. would be terrific. Of course , there are certainly other factors, in addition to age, to consider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>I&#8217;m curious why were you &#8220;looking for someone around 15 years younger&#8221;.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Karen: as I&#8217;ve already explained on my lengthy post on a separate page, I want a younger woman because I&#8217;ve never had one. Not to mention the fact that I have more in common with younger women than with women in my peer group, because younger women and I more easily match up with similar levels of life experience. A 35-y.o. would be good; a 32-y.o. would be terrific. Of course , there are certainly other factors, in addition to age, to consider.</p>
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		<title>By: cowgirl</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/06/25/a-long-response-to-debra-about-older-men-younger-women/#comment-241727</link>
		<dc:creator>cowgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/06/25/a-long-response-to-debra-about-older-men-younger-women/#comment-241727</guid>
		<description>I totally disagree Im dating a man much older than i am and we have a great relationship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally disagree Im dating a man much older than i am and we have a great relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/06/25/a-long-response-to-debra-about-older-men-younger-women/#comment-201562</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/06/25/a-long-response-to-debra-about-older-men-younger-women/#comment-201562</guid>
		<description>Pacific, 

I'm curious why were you "looking for someone around 15 years younger".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pacific, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious why were you &#8220;looking for someone around 15 years younger&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Pacific</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/06/25/a-long-response-to-debra-about-older-men-younger-women/#comment-197718</link>
		<dc:creator>Pacific</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 06:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/06/25/a-long-response-to-debra-about-older-men-younger-women/#comment-197718</guid>
		<description>And one more thing, Urra. I'm surprised that you're not in a relationship with anyone. You've definitely captured &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; heart with your insightful analysis. Again, kudos!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And one more thing, Urra. I&#8217;m surprised that you&#8217;re not in a relationship with anyone. You&#8217;ve definitely captured <i>my</i> heart with your insightful analysis. Again, kudos!</p>
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		<title>By: Pacific</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/06/25/a-long-response-to-debra-about-older-men-younger-women/#comment-197700</link>
		<dc:creator>Pacific</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 06:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/06/25/a-long-response-to-debra-about-older-men-younger-women/#comment-197700</guid>
		<description>Urra, you've totally hit the proverbial nail. I humbly admit that I am no more deserving of sympathy than Debra. But please, let's not forget that Debra deserves no sympathy, either. She needs to grow up and get over herself.

Once again, Urra, kudos to you for your valuable insight regarding levels of maturity. And for the record, I hereby forfeit my sympathy card because it no longer suits my game plan. However, doing so does not change the fact that Hugo's analysis of my problems reeks of unadulterated tripe. Or at the very least, fallacious reasoning regarding maturity, male entitlement, and a host of other problems. Still, I maintain that he's eminently entertaining in a manner bordering on the Kingesque.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Urra, you&#8217;ve totally hit the proverbial nail. I humbly admit that I am no more deserving of sympathy than Debra. But please, let&#8217;s not forget that Debra deserves no sympathy, either. She needs to grow up and get over herself.</p>
<p>Once again, Urra, kudos to you for your valuable insight regarding levels of maturity. And for the record, I hereby forfeit my sympathy card because it no longer suits my game plan. However, doing so does not change the fact that Hugo&#8217;s analysis of my problems reeks of unadulterated tripe. Or at the very least, fallacious reasoning regarding maturity, male entitlement, and a host of other problems. Still, I maintain that he&#8217;s eminently entertaining in a manner bordering on the Kingesque.</p>
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		<title>By: Urra</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/06/25/a-long-response-to-debra-about-older-men-younger-women/#comment-194727</link>
		<dc:creator>Urra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/06/25/a-long-response-to-debra-about-older-men-younger-women/#comment-194727</guid>
		<description>Hugo, this is a piece of disgusting double moral. These two people both think they deserve a relationship with someone. They don't; nobody deserves anybody's love, it comes to us undeserved if it does. There are no better or worse reasons for believing that it's somebody's duty to be your partner; there are no good reasons at all. Because you didn't get a girlfriend when you were young isn't a good reason. Because you happen to be in the "right" age isn't, either.

(I've read Debra's comments and this really is my impression of her. I haven't read Pacific's answer.)


Also, there's a bit in the end of your text that doesn't seem to make any sense:
"And frankly, it’s easier to give direction to Pacific: “get over yourself and look for a woman in your peer group with whom you can have a real connection. If they all seem too ‘old’ for you, it may be that you’re not mature enough for them.”"

If he isn't mature enough for women in his own age, isn't a relationship with someone younger exactly the thing he should be doing? After all, the younger woman probably is less mature as well. (If they're equally immature, the more chances they should have to have "a real connection".)

No, I'm serious, even if my wording may be a little sarcastic. I've seen this argument before and I've never been able to understand it. I wonder if it's actually nothing more than an attempt to insult.


For the record, I am a young-ish woman not in a relationship with any man of any age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugo, this is a piece of disgusting double moral. These two people both think they deserve a relationship with someone. They don&#8217;t; nobody deserves anybody&#8217;s love, it comes to us undeserved if it does. There are no better or worse reasons for believing that it&#8217;s somebody&#8217;s duty to be your partner; there are no good reasons at all. Because you didn&#8217;t get a girlfriend when you were young isn&#8217;t a good reason. Because you happen to be in the &#8220;right&#8221; age isn&#8217;t, either.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;ve read Debra&#8217;s comments and this really is my impression of her. I haven&#8217;t read Pacific&#8217;s answer.)</p>
<p>Also, there&#8217;s a bit in the end of your text that doesn&#8217;t seem to make any sense:<br />
&#8220;And frankly, it’s easier to give direction to Pacific: “get over yourself and look for a woman in your peer group with whom you can have a real connection. If they all seem too ‘old’ for you, it may be that you’re not mature enough for them.”&#8221;</p>
<p>If he isn&#8217;t mature enough for women in his own age, isn&#8217;t a relationship with someone younger exactly the thing he should be doing? After all, the younger woman probably is less mature as well. (If they&#8217;re equally immature, the more chances they should have to have &#8220;a real connection&#8221;.)</p>
<p>No, I&#8217;m serious, even if my wording may be a little sarcastic. I&#8217;ve seen this argument before and I&#8217;ve never been able to understand it. I wonder if it&#8217;s actually nothing more than an attempt to insult.</p>
<p>For the record, I am a young-ish woman not in a relationship with any man of any age.</p>
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		<title>By: Pacific</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/06/25/a-long-response-to-debra-about-older-men-younger-women/#comment-193983</link>
		<dc:creator>Pacific</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/06/25/a-long-response-to-debra-about-older-men-younger-women/#comment-193983</guid>
		<description>I have a lot to say on this subject, so rather than post it here and use up Hugo's bandwidth, I've posted it on a separate web page. You can read it by clicking on the blue "Pacific" name above.

However, any comments will, of necessity, need to remain here on Hugo's blog because my page is not comment-enabled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a lot to say on this subject, so rather than post it here and use up Hugo&#8217;s bandwidth, I&#8217;ve posted it on a separate web page. You can read it by clicking on the blue &#8220;Pacific&#8221; name above.</p>
<p>However, any comments will, of necessity, need to remain here on Hugo&#8217;s blog because my page is not comment-enabled.</p>
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		<title>By: Krista</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/06/25/a-long-response-to-debra-about-older-men-younger-women/#comment-165033</link>
		<dc:creator>Krista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/06/25/a-long-response-to-debra-about-older-men-younger-women/#comment-165033</guid>
		<description>In August of this year, I married a man twenty-seven years my senior, whom I have been with for five years (we met when I was twenty-three).  Both our families attended the wedding and genuinely support our unusual union.  He has no children and we do not wish to have children together.  Our relationship could only be described as loving.  

Am I looking for a  father figure?   Perhaps, as I lost my father in a car accident when I was four.  Is this necessarily an unhealthy or even sick desire?  I don't think so. However, I don't see my husband as a father-substitute and we don't relate to one another that way.  Sure, I value his stability, his brilliance (he's the most intelligent man I've ever met), his kindness, and his  inate goodness.  He's financially-stable, but not super-wealthy. I'm a CPA, so I'd have a comfortable lifestyle without him.       

I don't for a second think he "took my youth away".  He's introduced me to places and people I probably never would have encountered had I not fallen in love with him. 

I think Debra's "friend" could me genuinely in-love with a younger woman--for reasons other than her tight thighs and naivete.  Really, there are some 22-year-old who are far more contemplative than their older sisters and whose outlook on life some older men might find refreshing.  Debra should get a life of her own and stop worrying about a situation she can't change.  Love is found sometimes in places where the head doesn't want to go but the heart does.  This does not always lead to a bad outcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In August of this year, I married a man twenty-seven years my senior, whom I have been with for five years (we met when I was twenty-three).  Both our families attended the wedding and genuinely support our unusual union.  He has no children and we do not wish to have children together.  Our relationship could only be described as loving.  </p>
<p>Am I looking for a  father figure?   Perhaps, as I lost my father in a car accident when I was four.  Is this necessarily an unhealthy or even sick desire?  I don&#8217;t think so. However, I don&#8217;t see my husband as a father-substitute and we don&#8217;t relate to one another that way.  Sure, I value his stability, his brilliance (he&#8217;s the most intelligent man I&#8217;ve ever met), his kindness, and his  inate goodness.  He&#8217;s financially-stable, but not super-wealthy. I&#8217;m a CPA, so I&#8217;d have a comfortable lifestyle without him.       </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t for a second think he &#8220;took my youth away&#8221;.  He&#8217;s introduced me to places and people I probably never would have encountered had I not fallen in love with him. </p>
<p>I think Debra&#8217;s &#8220;friend&#8221; could me genuinely in-love with a younger woman&#8211;for reasons other than her tight thighs and naivete.  Really, there are some 22-year-old who are far more contemplative than their older sisters and whose outlook on life some older men might find refreshing.  Debra should get a life of her own and stop worrying about a situation she can&#8217;t change.  Love is found sometimes in places where the head doesn&#8217;t want to go but the heart does.  This does not always lead to a bad outcome.</p>
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