More not-in-favor of people who think institutional daycare is A-OK when they do it and they call it “school”.

In fact, MRAs are advocating the marriage strike and encouraging men to get vasectomies and otherwise avoiding becoming a father at all costs.

I don’t mean to give you a heart attack by agreeing with you, but, er.

(Except for the “hanging out at home” bit. I really hope you MRAs would not cheer me if I came home from work and asked my chasing-kids-all-day-spouse why dinner wasn’t waiting and the house wasn’t perfectly clean, because for fuck’s sake he was HOME all day.)

Missed the gist of this the first time through…are you coming out in favor of home schooling, Mythago? If so, pass the ammo, we’re in agreement on something again.

Nope, it is not coming from my group. In fact, MRAs are advocating the marriage strike and encouraging men to get vasectomies and otherwise avoiding becoming a father at all costs. For men, children are the quickest and most certain way to modern slavery for a man.

Most all men I talk to celebrate the notion that women appear to finally be at least trying to do their fair share re. contributing to the family income, especially since feminists have steadily upped the nagging vis-a-vis men and housework. When a woman earns more than a man, to the point that the man can qiut his job and hang out at home, we MRAs are ecstatic.

As for the education gap, that’s directly attributable to the feminization of our K-12 and higher education systems, which not only have become unfriendly but in many cases hostile to boy’s/men’s interests. This is something that we desperately need to address and correct as soon as possible. It is completely unaccetable to have men opting-out of higher education - it’s a invitation to intellectual and cultural mediocracy that no modern culture should tolerate.

If women = Mo Dowd, sure. I’ve heard precisely zero women of those that I know in real life make that complaint.

“Why isn’t Daddy fussing about finding daycare or wading back into the working world?” Umm, because men realize the bills aren’t going to pay themselves and the family has to be supported, so whining about it will do absolutely no good? As a single father (and one without even the dubious benefit of an ex wife I could occasionally let care for the kids every other weekend or so), I can tell you there are times I’d love to blow off work and spend more time with the kids. My creditors would tolerate very little of this. I can also tell you that writing that weekly daycare check occasionally gives me a cramp in the wrist, but I have to do it and it’s my responsibility and nobody else’s.

Ahunt: “I thought the myth of successful, career oriented women going through life mateless and childless had long since been put to rest” For a myth that is at rest it seems to be rolling out of bed and inspiring women to complain on a fairly regular basis.

(As for daycare, really Mom only needs to wait until the child is old enough to go to public school. At that point, everyone’s snippery about taxpayer-funded daycare and ‘dumping your kids on somebody else’ inverts, and Mom is expected to send her children off to taxpayer-funded caretaking in an institutional setting. But that’s OK, because it’s school, and only weirdos don’t ship the kids off to school. I didn’t invent this system, I’m just the messenger.)

I thought the myth of successful, career oriented women going through life mateless and childless had long since been put to rest

What, you mean the idea that all those uppity career-seeking bitches who put money ahead of the Biological Clock will end up bitter, sterile spinsters, endlessly taking IVF treatments as they bemoan their fading looks and lack of a man? If only.

But the notion that being the primary caretaker of children–or, for that matter, merely being a mommy–has no effect on a woman’s career is far from a myth. It’s simply assumed that dealing with the kids is mom’s problem, and that dad doesn’t have to worry about “choosing to stay home” or “having it all”.

You’re old enough to remember that article “I Want a Wife”, right?

1) The vast majority of educated, career women do marry…
2) …and have children, and…
3) …their marriages are much less likely to fail.

Those of us who are pushing for childcare assistance tend to be more concerned in the familial and financial health of our less educated, lower income neighbors.

So, I’m not quite sure what you are getting at here.

Look, as far as I’m concerned a woman is certainly welcome to pursue whatever career she wants, cut the best deal for herself she can, forge whatever life pleases her. But the basic laws of biology and physics are not going to be suspended for her. She’s got a comparitively limited time to have kids if that’s what she wants (and yes, I know not every woman does, and the point is moot for those who don’t). She’s going to have to take off at least a few months per kid to actually have the kid, and then what does she do? If she can find a good daycare situation, willing family members or a partner who is willing to quit work and care for the kid, so be it. Wade back into the working world if that’s what she wants. And as this article proves, if a woman is willing to put in the time and education she’ll probably do as well as a male counterpart.

But if she can’t find those things…well, I see little reason why the government should take from other people’s pockets in order to provide that daycare for her.

Well, no, joe was declaring that ‘comparable worth’ is dead. I was asking when it was last seen alive.

Nobody gets to have it all.

Yes, that’s why men’s magazines are full of laments about how men have to choose between a career and fatherhood, and make agonizing choices about whether to stay home from work with their kids rather than going forward with careers.

I get the sense, Chief, that you’re going to be disappointed when a lot of those women hit 30 (gasp! one foot int he grave!) and, nope, aren’t particularly sad that they decided to make money, not change diapers. But then, all the whining about the “birth dearth” is coming from your side, isn’t it? Yell at the bitches that they need to go home and have babies, and tell them tough luck if they can’t also make a living.

Gee, then how do they pay the rent if it’s “unpaid”. I sometimes see these “unpaid” workers driving around in a Mercedes or other nice car. Unpaid Heather Mills just got a nice chunk of change.

“Unpaid” doesn’t quite tell the whole story, thus it’s misleading (and meant to be).