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	<title>Comments on: Now I must go buy garbage bags: a note on &#8220;doing the NEXT right thing&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: John Spragge</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/12/12/a-note-on-doing-the-next-right-thing/#comment-174194</link>
		<dc:creator>John Spragge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, by the way...

Merry Christmas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, by the way&#8230;</p>
<p>Merry Christmas!</p>
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		<title>By: John Spragge</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/12/12/a-note-on-doing-the-next-right-thing/#comment-174190</link>
		<dc:creator>John Spragge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, Hugo.

But the ethics inform the politics, not the other way around. And our experiences inform the ethics, and (where we came in) determine different priorities or even entirely different courses for each of us us. And that, again, makes mutual respect, even (or perhaps especially) for those we disagree with essential for those who face these issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, Hugo.</p>
<p>But the ethics inform the politics, not the other way around. And our experiences inform the ethics, and (where we came in) determine different priorities or even entirely different courses for each of us us. And that, again, makes mutual respect, even (or perhaps especially) for those we disagree with essential for those who face these issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo Schwyzer</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/12/12/a-note-on-doing-the-next-right-thing/#comment-173580</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo Schwyzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt; Politics, as we understand the word in the twenty-first century post-enlightenment West, stops at my skin. &lt;/em&gt;

Agreed.  But ethics go down to the bone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em> Politics, as we understand the word in the twenty-first century post-enlightenment West, stops at my skin. </em></p>
<p>Agreed.  But ethics go down to the bone.</p>
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		<title>By: John Spragge</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/12/12/a-note-on-doing-the-next-right-thing/#comment-173485</link>
		<dc:creator>John Spragge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course we should teach our children not to harm each other. And teaching our kids decent behavior provides the essential ground for them to make the connections which allow empathy to grow.

But when you start talking about "right thought", you start to lose me. Our culture imposes its norms by profoundly impersonal and violent means. We live, as Rupert Ross memorably put it, in "a society of strangers." Even those who try to resist the ugly side of our mass society fall victim to its assumptions and obsessions. Under these circumstances, boundaries play an essential  role in our lives. And I insist that boundaries include, and ought to include, a separation between mass movement politics and our thoughts and feelings. Politics, as we understand the word in the twenty-first century post-enlightenment West, stops at my skin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course we should teach our children not to harm each other. And teaching our kids decent behavior provides the essential ground for them to make the connections which allow empathy to grow.</p>
<p>But when you start talking about &#8220;right thought&#8221;, you start to lose me. Our culture imposes its norms by profoundly impersonal and violent means. We live, as Rupert Ross memorably put it, in &#8220;a society of strangers.&#8221; Even those who try to resist the ugly side of our mass society fall victim to its assumptions and obsessions. Under these circumstances, boundaries play an essential  role in our lives. And I insist that boundaries include, and ought to include, a separation between mass movement politics and our thoughts and feelings. Politics, as we understand the word in the twenty-first century post-enlightenment West, stops at my skin.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo Schwyzer</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/12/12/a-note-on-doing-the-next-right-thing/#comment-170237</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo Schwyzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's an awesome idea for a meme, pnts.  I'll do it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an awesome idea for a meme, pnts.  I&#8217;ll do it!</p>
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		<title>By: prefer not to say</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/12/12/a-note-on-doing-the-next-right-thing/#comment-170232</link>
		<dc:creator>prefer not to say</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/12/12/a-note-on-doing-the-next-right-thing/#comment-170232</guid>
		<description>Quite good post. Perhaps some day you should do a meme: "Eight aphorisms that have kept me alive." 

Although I don't know why eight, instead of ten. It just seems like eight is about the number of survival aphorisms I have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite good post. Perhaps some day you should do a meme: &#8220;Eight aphorisms that have kept me alive.&#8221; </p>
<p>Although I don&#8217;t know why eight, instead of ten. It just seems like eight is about the number of survival aphorisms I have.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo Schwyzer</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/12/12/a-note-on-doing-the-next-right-thing/#comment-169493</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo Schwyzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/12/12/a-note-on-doing-the-next-right-thing/#comment-169493</guid>
		<description>I agree we can't presume what goes on in another's thoughts.  At the same time, I think that one type of thought -- guilt -- can be constructive, and indeed, we ought to encourage its selective use.  When a child hits a playmate, we can say to the one who has been doing the hitting not only "Don't hit" but "You shouldn't hit other people because it makes them feel bad."  Guilt and empathy are closely linked, and we ought to be engaged in the process of forming "good thinking".  

After all, Buddhists get it -- Right Thought is an important part of the Eightfold Path for a reason!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree we can&#8217;t presume what goes on in another&#8217;s thoughts.  At the same time, I think that one type of thought &#8212; guilt &#8212; can be constructive, and indeed, we ought to encourage its selective use.  When a child hits a playmate, we can say to the one who has been doing the hitting not only &#8220;Don&#8217;t hit&#8221; but &#8220;You shouldn&#8217;t hit other people because it makes them feel bad.&#8221;  Guilt and empathy are closely linked, and we ought to be engaged in the process of forming &#8220;good thinking&#8221;.  </p>
<p>After all, Buddhists get it &#8212; Right Thought is an important part of the Eightfold Path for a reason!</p>
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		<title>By: John Spragge</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/12/12/a-note-on-doing-the-next-right-thing/#comment-169486</link>
		<dc:creator>John Spragge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/12/12/a-note-on-doing-the-next-right-thing/#comment-169486</guid>
		<description>Great post, Hugo.

&lt;blockquote&gt;And I’m comfortable exhorting others to be equally mindful, even if they end up seeing the “next right thing” as something very different.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right on.

I'd like to take that a bit further, and talk how we approach ethical conduct. Our discussion of ethics depends on a shared reference, a meeting place. And that meeting takes place in the physical world. Only there can we truly come together. What goes on in my mind, or yours, does not take place on this meeting ground, and though we can, and should, exhort each other to stay mindful of the way our actions affect others and our thoughts affect our actions, I don't agree that we can presume to know what goes on in each other's thoughts. By all means, let us remind each other that what we read, reflect on, think and feel matters, but let us all have the humility to accept, as you appear to above, that we truly cannot know, and cannot judge, what goes on in someone else's mind. By any principle, whether economy of effort or respect for the autonomy of other people,  I believe it makes sense to not try to control, by any means, what we think and feel about what we see and experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Hugo.</p>
<blockquote><p>And I’m comfortable exhorting others to be equally mindful, even if they end up seeing the “next right thing” as something very different.</p></blockquote>
<p>Right on.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to take that a bit further, and talk how we approach ethical conduct. Our discussion of ethics depends on a shared reference, a meeting place. And that meeting takes place in the physical world. Only there can we truly come together. What goes on in my mind, or yours, does not take place on this meeting ground, and though we can, and should, exhort each other to stay mindful of the way our actions affect others and our thoughts affect our actions, I don&#8217;t agree that we can presume to know what goes on in each other&#8217;s thoughts. By all means, let us remind each other that what we read, reflect on, think and feel matters, but let us all have the humility to accept, as you appear to above, that we truly cannot know, and cannot judge, what goes on in someone else&#8217;s mind. By any principle, whether economy of effort or respect for the autonomy of other people,  I believe it makes sense to not try to control, by any means, what we think and feel about what we see and experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo Schwyzer</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/12/12/a-note-on-doing-the-next-right-thing/#comment-169362</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo Schwyzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, I will say that that mindfulness changes over time.  I was such a deeply unethical person for much of my life that, in those early years of sobriety, I had to think through EVERYTHING.  But it's like learning to drive a stick-shift -- at first, you need to think carefully about the right moment to shift, to push in the clutch; after a while, it becomes second nature.  It has been that way with me in many things, but I needed a period of "moral driver's ed" first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, I will say that that mindfulness changes over time.  I was such a deeply unethical person for much of my life that, in those early years of sobriety, I had to think through EVERYTHING.  But it&#8217;s like learning to drive a stick-shift &#8212; at first, you need to think carefully about the right moment to shift, to push in the clutch; after a while, it becomes second nature.  It has been that way with me in many things, but I needed a period of &#8220;moral driver&#8217;s ed&#8221; first.</p>
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		<title>By: greg in ak</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/12/12/a-note-on-doing-the-next-right-thing/#comment-169138</link>
		<dc:creator>greg in ak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with much of this. Part of overcoming grief and tragedy for me has been being mindful of how I live my life and all the choices i make. It is a good thing. That being said, it would drive me crazy to judge every action on it's rightness and goodness. Mindful is good but that also, for me, means not stressing, thinking, fettling over every choice since it feels like i am spending my precious life on all sorts of trivial things. I try to be mindful of spending my energy on only what is worthwhile.

Like I said I agree with you on the concept, but different personalties express principles in a different manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with much of this. Part of overcoming grief and tragedy for me has been being mindful of how I live my life and all the choices i make. It is a good thing. That being said, it would drive me crazy to judge every action on it&#8217;s rightness and goodness. Mindful is good but that also, for me, means not stressing, thinking, fettling over every choice since it feels like i am spending my precious life on all sorts of trivial things. I try to be mindful of spending my energy on only what is worthwhile.</p>
<p>Like I said I agree with you on the concept, but different personalties express principles in a different manner.</p>
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