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	<title>Comments on: More on the &#8220;Godmen&#8221; and the heresy of the hyper-masculine Christ</title>
	<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/04/23/more-on-the-godmen-and-the-heresy-of-the-hyper-masculine-christ/</link>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Richard Aubrey</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/04/23/more-on-the-godmen-and-the-heresy-of-the-hyper-masculine-christ/#comment-320024</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Aubrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a conflict or contradiction between "gentle" and "aggressive"?

How does one address difficult issues, issues requiring change in people and institutions if one is not aggressive?

Looks like a (possibly) accidental mix-up between "aggressive" and "violent".  Been done before.  Hardly ever works.

If the antonym for "aggresive" is truly "gentle", then "gentle" must mean "passive".

If it is really desired that men become passive, I could see why it would be dressed up in other words.  If it is not desired that men become passive, then acting as if being "aggressive" is somehow morally equivalent to being violent is counterproductive.

My congregation has a pretty good mix of male and female leadership. Since our higher allowed us to be deprived of a pastor, we have been running our own affairs and a woman running a group gets just the same respectful attention as a man running a different group. Pam says do this, we do it.  Paul says do that, we do it.
We're entertaining a question:  Is having a pastor required, or merely traditional?

There is no gender issue in our congregation. I do know, however, of congregations where the men have been marginalized.  For whatever reason, they don't bother.  Not to lead, not to attend.  The hypothetical of figuring out what to do about it, and attempting to get the current power structure to do it brings up interesting possibilities....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a conflict or contradiction between &#8220;gentle&#8221; and &#8220;aggressive&#8221;?</p>
<p>How does one address difficult issues, issues requiring change in people and institutions if one is not aggressive?</p>
<p>Looks like a (possibly) accidental mix-up between &#8220;aggressive&#8221; and &#8220;violent&#8221;.  Been done before.  Hardly ever works.</p>
<p>If the antonym for &#8220;aggresive&#8221; is truly &#8220;gentle&#8221;, then &#8220;gentle&#8221; must mean &#8220;passive&#8221;.</p>
<p>If it is really desired that men become passive, I could see why it would be dressed up in other words.  If it is not desired that men become passive, then acting as if being &#8220;aggressive&#8221; is somehow morally equivalent to being violent is counterproductive.</p>
<p>My congregation has a pretty good mix of male and female leadership. Since our higher allowed us to be deprived of a pastor, we have been running our own affairs and a woman running a group gets just the same respectful attention as a man running a different group. Pam says do this, we do it.  Paul says do that, we do it.<br />
We&#8217;re entertaining a question:  Is having a pastor required, or merely traditional?</p>
<p>There is no gender issue in our congregation. I do know, however, of congregations where the men have been marginalized.  For whatever reason, they don&#8217;t bother.  Not to lead, not to attend.  The hypothetical of figuring out what to do about it, and attempting to get the current power structure to do it brings up interesting possibilities&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: J. K. Gayle</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/04/23/more-on-the-godmen-and-the-heresy-of-the-hyper-masculine-christ/#comment-319438</link>
		<dc:creator>J. K. Gayle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally, &lt;i&gt;Christianity Today&lt;/i&gt; begins to catch up with Hugo Schwyzer.  Here's the thing:  the first theologian was Mary of Bethany (as &lt;a href="http://www.ctlibrary.com/ct/2001/october22/26.105.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Carolyn Custis James&lt;/a&gt; shows so well); the first evangelist was Ms Steinem of Samaria (okay, we don't know her name really because &lt;a href="http://speakeristic.blogspot.com/2008/03/jesus-was-not-christian.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;her history&lt;/a&gt; was written by a man); the first apostle was Mary of Magdala (and we all know what the "Godmen" said about her).  Of course the "Godmen" want Jesus to grab his crotch and beat his chest and moan that feminization has weakened them and him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally, <i>Christianity Today</i> begins to catch up with Hugo Schwyzer.  Here&#8217;s the thing:  the first theologian was Mary of Bethany (as <a href="http://www.ctlibrary.com/ct/2001/october22/26.105.html" rel="nofollow">Carolyn Custis James</a> shows so well); the first evangelist was Ms Steinem of Samaria (okay, we don&#8217;t know her name really because <a href="http://speakeristic.blogspot.com/2008/03/jesus-was-not-christian.html" rel="nofollow">her history</a> was written by a man); the first apostle was Mary of Magdala (and we all know what the &#8220;Godmen&#8221; said about her).  Of course the &#8220;Godmen&#8221; want Jesus to grab his crotch and beat his chest and moan that feminization has weakened them and him.</p>
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