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	<title>Comments on: Called to a higher allegiance: the welcome new evangelical manifesto</title>
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		<title>By: mike rucker</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/05/12/called-to-a-higher-allegiance-the-welcome-new-evangelical-manifesto/#comment-342305</link>
		<dc:creator>mike rucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 03:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good thoughts; good comments.  

i'm enjoying reading the various opinions here and there around the web.  i had some hesitations and misgivings before reading the document, but i'm actually quite impressed and invigorated after taking in the whole of what it addresses.  

one of the things i like is that the authors have chosen &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; to list creationism and inerrancy as non-negotiables. for the first, there's very little biblical justification anymore behind whatever the latest flavor of anti-natural-selection dessert is being served up; for the latter, somehow we can admit that we can't prove the existence of God, but goshdarnit we have a golden egg this unprovable God laid right here.  still, some people hold to these positions; so be it.  there's simply too much of a tendency to add items to the ever-increasing laundry list of ideas and doctrines to which we have to pledge allegiance before we're allowed into the room marked "Christian."

nothing's going to please everybody, and there are a few things i object to.  for instance, i don't agree with this statement: &lt;i&gt;We Evangelicals should be defined theologically, and not politically, socially, or culturally.&lt;/i&gt;  Jesus' message uses "action" verbs: teach them to DO as I have commanded you, LOVE God and LOVE your neighbor, by this will all men know ... if you LOVE one another. any theology that defines us must have feet.

i did, however, like these words:  &lt;i&gt;We are also troubled by the fact that the advance of globalization and the emergence of a global public square finds no matching vision of how we are to live freely, justly, and peacefully with our deepest differences on the global stage.&lt;/i&gt;  somehow, we've got to figure out how we're going to peacefully share the same bathroom over the next few decades in our ever-shrinking world.

one interesting thing: maybe i missed it, but there doesn't seem to be a great emphasis on &lt;i&gt;evangelism&lt;/i&gt; in this &lt;i&gt;Evangelical&lt;/i&gt; Manifesto. do you think that was intentional? i didn't see a single chick tract referenced in the bibliography...

more than anything, i find myself motivated and energized by the very positive nature of the piece - that it isn't yet another "here's everything we're &lt;i&gt;against&lt;/i&gt;" rant but an effort to make the gospel again a message of &lt;i&gt;good news&lt;/i&gt;. imagine that - the gospel being &lt;i&gt;good news&lt;/i&gt;. American Christianity has lost this defining characteristic that once served it well.

perhaps one unintended benefit of the proposal is a clear opportunity to take this EM (Evangelical Manifesto) and align it with the other EM (&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&#38;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FEmergent-Manifesto-Hope-emersion-communities%2Fdp%2F080106807X%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks%26qid%3D1210257943%26sr%3D8-2&#38;tag=mwc04-20&#38;linkCode=ur2&#38;camp=1789&#38;creative=9325" rel="nofollow"&gt;Emergent Manifesto&lt;/a&gt;) and finally have all our EM &#38; EMs in a row without demonizing the other side.

one can only hope...

mike rucker
fairburn, georgia, usa
&lt;a href="http://mikerucker.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;mikerucker.wordpress.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good thoughts; good comments.  </p>
<p>i&#8217;m enjoying reading the various opinions here and there around the web.  i had some hesitations and misgivings before reading the document, but i&#8217;m actually quite impressed and invigorated after taking in the whole of what it addresses.  </p>
<p>one of the things i like is that the authors have chosen <i>not</i> to list creationism and inerrancy as non-negotiables. for the first, there&#8217;s very little biblical justification anymore behind whatever the latest flavor of anti-natural-selection dessert is being served up; for the latter, somehow we can admit that we can&#8217;t prove the existence of God, but goshdarnit we have a golden egg this unprovable God laid right here.  still, some people hold to these positions; so be it.  there&#8217;s simply too much of a tendency to add items to the ever-increasing laundry list of ideas and doctrines to which we have to pledge allegiance before we&#8217;re allowed into the room marked &#8220;Christian.&#8221;</p>
<p>nothing&#8217;s going to please everybody, and there are a few things i object to.  for instance, i don&#8217;t agree with this statement: <i>We Evangelicals should be defined theologically, and not politically, socially, or culturally.</i>  Jesus&#8217; message uses &#8220;action&#8221; verbs: teach them to DO as I have commanded you, LOVE God and LOVE your neighbor, by this will all men know &#8230; if you LOVE one another. any theology that defines us must have feet.</p>
<p>i did, however, like these words:  <i>We are also troubled by the fact that the advance of globalization and the emergence of a global public square finds no matching vision of how we are to live freely, justly, and peacefully with our deepest differences on the global stage.</i>  somehow, we&#8217;ve got to figure out how we&#8217;re going to peacefully share the same bathroom over the next few decades in our ever-shrinking world.</p>
<p>one interesting thing: maybe i missed it, but there doesn&#8217;t seem to be a great emphasis on <i>evangelism</i> in this <i>Evangelical</i> Manifesto. do you think that was intentional? i didn&#8217;t see a single chick tract referenced in the bibliography&#8230;</p>
<p>more than anything, i find myself motivated and energized by the very positive nature of the piece - that it isn&#8217;t yet another &#8220;here&#8217;s everything we&#8217;re <i>against</i>&#8221; rant but an effort to make the gospel again a message of <i>good news</i>. imagine that - the gospel being <i>good news</i>. American Christianity has lost this defining characteristic that once served it well.</p>
<p>perhaps one unintended benefit of the proposal is a clear opportunity to take this EM (Evangelical Manifesto) and align it with the other EM (<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FEmergent-Manifesto-Hope-emersion-communities%2Fdp%2F080106807X%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks%26qid%3D1210257943%26sr%3D8-2&amp;tag=mwc04-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325" rel="nofollow">Emergent Manifesto</a>) and finally have all our EM &amp; EMs in a row without demonizing the other side.</p>
<p>one can only hope&#8230;</p>
<p>mike rucker<br />
fairburn, georgia, usa<br />
<a href="http://mikerucker.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">mikerucker.wordpress.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/05/12/called-to-a-higher-allegiance-the-welcome-new-evangelical-manifesto/#comment-342176</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 00:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/05/12/called-to-a-higher-allegiance-the-welcome-new-evangelical-manifesto/#comment-342176</guid>
		<description>I used to have a kneejerk response to the term "evangelical" -- it got my guard up because I didn't want to be witnessed-to. But as I've grown deeper roots into Judaism, I've become more comfortable with various forms of Christianity, and have come to have a lot of love and respect for many evangelical folks. 

Anyway, this post is fascinating to me; thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to have a kneejerk response to the term &#8220;evangelical&#8221; &#8212; it got my guard up because I didn&#8217;t want to be witnessed-to. But as I&#8217;ve grown deeper roots into Judaism, I&#8217;ve become more comfortable with various forms of Christianity, and have come to have a lot of love and respect for many evangelical folks. </p>
<p>Anyway, this post is fascinating to me; thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Deepa</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/05/12/called-to-a-higher-allegiance-the-welcome-new-evangelical-manifesto/#comment-340797</link>
		<dc:creator>Deepa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 20:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/05/12/called-to-a-higher-allegiance-the-welcome-new-evangelical-manifesto/#comment-340797</guid>
		<description>Thanks for writing about this, good to know that James Dobson and FotF may be declining in popularity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for writing about this, good to know that James Dobson and FotF may be declining in popularity.</p>
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		<title>By: Mermade</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/05/12/called-to-a-higher-allegiance-the-welcome-new-evangelical-manifesto/#comment-340665</link>
		<dc:creator>Mermade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 17:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/05/12/called-to-a-higher-allegiance-the-welcome-new-evangelical-manifesto/#comment-340665</guid>
		<description>WOW! Well, I am not surprised, given that FotF is almost entirely political now. We still get their newsletter and, last month, it was trashing Obama. Aren't they a not-for-profit organization? I didn't think that they were allowed to endorse one candidate over another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW! Well, I am not surprised, given that FotF is almost entirely political now. We still get their newsletter and, last month, it was trashing Obama. Aren&#8217;t they a not-for-profit organization? I didn&#8217;t think that they were allowed to endorse one candidate over another.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo Schwyzer</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/05/12/called-to-a-higher-allegiance-the-welcome-new-evangelical-manifesto/#comment-340662</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo Schwyzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 17:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/05/12/called-to-a-higher-allegiance-the-welcome-new-evangelical-manifesto/#comment-340662</guid>
		<description>There was a story, Mermade, that James Dobson turned down the manifesto and refused to sign it (according to the LA Times on Saturday).  That says a lot about him, and about his waning influence in evangelical circles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a story, Mermade, that James Dobson turned down the manifesto and refused to sign it (according to the LA Times on Saturday).  That says a lot about him, and about his waning influence in evangelical circles.</p>
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		<title>By: Mermade</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/05/12/called-to-a-higher-allegiance-the-welcome-new-evangelical-manifesto/#comment-340653</link>
		<dc:creator>Mermade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 16:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/05/12/called-to-a-higher-allegiance-the-welcome-new-evangelical-manifesto/#comment-340653</guid>
		<description>I am excited about this. I think modern-day Christianity is changing in the sense that people like James Dobson don't have as much weight as they used to. Also, the pastor of Paznaz is careful to never discuss his personal political views. A couple of Sundays ago, he drew support from the Bible to say that the Church should be healing people with AIDS in the world. That is quite different from what people like Focus on the Family think, which is basically that anyone who has AIDS deserves it. I am thankful that the tide is turning in some respects -- the church is not dying out, and it will be interesting to see what happens to the American church in my lifetime. I am hopeful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am excited about this. I think modern-day Christianity is changing in the sense that people like James Dobson don&#8217;t have as much weight as they used to. Also, the pastor of Paznaz is careful to never discuss his personal political views. A couple of Sundays ago, he drew support from the Bible to say that the Church should be healing people with AIDS in the world. That is quite different from what people like Focus on the Family think, which is basically that anyone who has AIDS deserves it. I am thankful that the tide is turning in some respects &#8212; the church is not dying out, and it will be interesting to see what happens to the American church in my lifetime. I am hopeful.</p>
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