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	<title>Comments on: Hair length, skirt length, body odor and a bulge in the jeans: what we should and shouldn&#8217;t say to loved ones</title>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/06/10/hair-length-skirt-length-body-odor-and-a-bulge-in-the-jeans-what-we-should-and-shouldnt-say-to-loved-ones/#comment-380263</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig, 

"It’s directed, rather, towards those who have already formed an opinion and ask the question to have that opinion validated, then become petulant or angry should they receive a different answer than desired. The actual opinion of the questioned is irrelevant."

What is wrong with offering validation? People ask for validation all the time from each other and sometimes it is less obvious than other times. I fail to see, why in this circumstance how offering validation could not be beneficial. I disagree that the actual opinion of the questioned is irrelevant and agree with Mythago's point above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, </p>
<p>&#8220;It’s directed, rather, towards those who have already formed an opinion and ask the question to have that opinion validated, then become petulant or angry should they receive a different answer than desired. The actual opinion of the questioned is irrelevant.&#8221;</p>
<p>What is wrong with offering validation? People ask for validation all the time from each other and sometimes it is less obvious than other times. I fail to see, why in this circumstance how offering validation could not be beneficial. I disagree that the actual opinion of the questioned is irrelevant and agree with Mythago&#8217;s point above.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Gazis-Sax</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/06/10/hair-length-skirt-length-body-odor-and-a-bulge-in-the-jeans-what-we-should-and-shouldnt-say-to-loved-ones/#comment-380131</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn Gazis-Sax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;However, when it comes to an issue of a partner’s weight, I don’t think consideration is untirely unjustified, given a very specific condition, where a partner’s weight has fluctuated rapidly and their doctor has said that they should lose weight.&lt;/em&gt;

Actually, I'm in a situation somewhat close to that: 1) my husband is overweight (he agrees, and actually feels more strongly about the weight issue than I do), 2) he's diabetic, and has been repeatedly encouraged by his doctors to lose weight, 3) not so much the rapid fluctuation, but one complicating factor - the weight is partly within his control, by diet and exercise, but partly not so much, since he's required for other conditions to take meds of which weight gain is a side effect - he may never be able to manage to get within that actually desirable weight chart range.

How I handle that: I &lt;em&gt;ask&lt;/em&gt; him what he wants in the way of encouragement, and if he says, nag me about exercise, I do.  So I've nagged him about exercise, eaten a largely diabetic friendly diet myself (and lost weight on it, but all that weight within the "normal" part of the weight charts), and kept foods out of the house that he'd find too tempting, but I &lt;em&gt;don't&lt;/em&gt; directly nag him about the diet part - he doesn't want that from me, it would make me too much like his mother, and the diabetes doctor sees him regularly anyway and asks her own questions.  Nor do I directly monitor his weight; he does that, and goes over it with his doctors.  I will, though, ask, say, if he wants potato chips, whether he wants me to measure them on our food scale, or whether he'll figure himself how much he wants.  And go with his decision, whatever it is.

Why I don't supervise beyond what he asks: it isn't actually possible to &lt;em&gt;make&lt;/em&gt; another person eat better; even if &lt;em&gt;he&lt;/em&gt; could completely regulate himself to a normal weight (not sure that's possible, given multiple chronic conditions and med side effects), &lt;em&gt;I&lt;/em&gt; couldn't watch him all day.  So, focusing on the encouragement the other person actually &lt;em&gt;wants&lt;/em&gt; and will listen to is more effective (as well as nicer) than hovering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>However, when it comes to an issue of a partner’s weight, I don’t think consideration is untirely unjustified, given a very specific condition, where a partner’s weight has fluctuated rapidly and their doctor has said that they should lose weight.</em></p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;m in a situation somewhat close to that: 1) my husband is overweight (he agrees, and actually feels more strongly about the weight issue than I do), 2) he&#8217;s diabetic, and has been repeatedly encouraged by his doctors to lose weight, 3) not so much the rapid fluctuation, but one complicating factor - the weight is partly within his control, by diet and exercise, but partly not so much, since he&#8217;s required for other conditions to take meds of which weight gain is a side effect - he may never be able to manage to get within that actually desirable weight chart range.</p>
<p>How I handle that: I <em>ask</em> him what he wants in the way of encouragement, and if he says, nag me about exercise, I do.  So I&#8217;ve nagged him about exercise, eaten a largely diabetic friendly diet myself (and lost weight on it, but all that weight within the &#8220;normal&#8221; part of the weight charts), and kept foods out of the house that he&#8217;d find too tempting, but I <em>don&#8217;t</em> directly nag him about the diet part - he doesn&#8217;t want that from me, it would make me too much like his mother, and the diabetes doctor sees him regularly anyway and asks her own questions.  Nor do I directly monitor his weight; he does that, and goes over it with his doctors.  I will, though, ask, say, if he wants potato chips, whether he wants me to measure them on our food scale, or whether he&#8217;ll figure himself how much he wants.  And go with his decision, whatever it is.</p>
<p>Why I don&#8217;t supervise beyond what he asks: it isn&#8217;t actually possible to <em>make</em> another person eat better; even if <em>he</em> could completely regulate himself to a normal weight (not sure that&#8217;s possible, given multiple chronic conditions and med side effects), <em>I</em> couldn&#8217;t watch him all day.  So, focusing on the encouragement the other person actually <em>wants</em> and will listen to is more effective (as well as nicer) than hovering.</p>
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		<title>By: mythago</title>
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		<dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The actual opinion of the questioned is irrelevant.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, the opinion is relevant. The problem is that the real question isn't the one that's being asked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The actual opinion of the questioned is irrelevant.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, the opinion is relevant. The problem is that the real question isn&#8217;t the one that&#8217;s being asked.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 02:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I generally find nothing to disagree with here.  Someone's appearance as dealbreaker seems kind of silly to me.  However, when it comes to an issue of a partner's weight, I don't think consideration is untirely unjustified, given a very specific condition, where a partner's weight has fluctuated rapidly and their doctor has said that they should lose weight.

The distinction has less to do with being "thin" and everything to do with being "healthy," though, and I know that body types and things of that nature are uncontrollable.  The reason why I think a partner should assist another in such an endeavor (in a nice way, of course) is because we have to live with the results of healthy and unhealthy choices and habits our partners make, especially for those of us in for the long haul.  

But that situation is, of course, rather specific.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I generally find nothing to disagree with here.  Someone&#8217;s appearance as dealbreaker seems kind of silly to me.  However, when it comes to an issue of a partner&#8217;s weight, I don&#8217;t think consideration is untirely unjustified, given a very specific condition, where a partner&#8217;s weight has fluctuated rapidly and their doctor has said that they should lose weight.</p>
<p>The distinction has less to do with being &#8220;thin&#8221; and everything to do with being &#8220;healthy,&#8221; though, and I know that body types and things of that nature are uncontrollable.  The reason why I think a partner should assist another in such an endeavor (in a nice way, of course) is because we have to live with the results of healthy and unhealthy choices and habits our partners make, especially for those of us in for the long haul.  </p>
<p>But that situation is, of course, rather specific.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Regarding the, “Do I look fat in this?” I think the speaker desires an honest answer, but offered in the spirit of kindness, NOT cruelty.&lt;/i&gt;

Again, those aren't the ones at whom the joke is aimed.  It's directed, rather, towards those who have already formed an opinion and ask the question to have that opinion validated, then become petulant or angry should they receive a different answer than desired.  The actual opinion of the questioned is irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Regarding the, “Do I look fat in this?” I think the speaker desires an honest answer, but offered in the spirit of kindness, NOT cruelty.</i></p>
<p>Again, those aren&#8217;t the ones at whom the joke is aimed.  It&#8217;s directed, rather, towards those who have already formed an opinion and ask the question to have that opinion validated, then become petulant or angry should they receive a different answer than desired.  The actual opinion of the questioned is irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo Schwyzer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugo Schwyzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Hilary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Hilary.</p>
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		<title>By: Hilary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hilary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Student's" remark is disgusting and humiliating. You're a professional professor lecturing on a variety of topics that make a lot of people feel uncomfortable (in ultimately good ways), and it's a dishonor for him or her to comment on what you wear and what it reveals about you. I had your class and I never once looked away from your face because I was so wrapped up in what you were saying. Obviously, this person is too immature to deal with and take seriously the realities of what you teach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Student&#8217;s&#8221; remark is disgusting and humiliating. You&#8217;re a professional professor lecturing on a variety of topics that make a lot of people feel uncomfortable (in ultimately good ways), and it&#8217;s a dishonor for him or her to comment on what you wear and what it reveals about you. I had your class and I never once looked away from your face because I was so wrapped up in what you were saying. Obviously, this person is too immature to deal with and take seriously the realities of what you teach.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the, "Do I look fat in this?" I think the speaker desires an honest answer, but offered in the spirit of kindness, NOT cruelty. They may also be looking for reassurance. What they don't want is mean-spirited responses and then chastized with a, "Well you asked," blaming the other person, not only for their cruelty but also for asking their opinion. Too often people mask anger under the guise of honesty. I agree with kate h and her mother's approach sounds appropriate, honest and decent...

“That cut isn’t very flattering on you.” The blame for the ill appearance falls on the cut of the garment, not on the garment wearer."

I've been around a lot of people who routinely make unsolicited comments. Many of them mask competition, jealousy and a host of other issues under the guise of teasing. If you've been the recipient of such behaviors, it shouldn't come as a surprise that occasionally they may want reassurance or ask someone who they feel that they can trust how an outfit or color looks. A friend the other day inquired why I didn't say anything about her haircut (when it was cut too short and was unflattering). Her hair had grown out and I told her that I preferred it better as it was softer and more flattering. She asked why I didn't tell her that I didn't like it. I responded that I wouldn't feel comfortable saying it like that, as I thought it mean-spirited. Besides other issues she was going through were far more important to comment on than an unflattering haircut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the, &#8220;Do I look fat in this?&#8221; I think the speaker desires an honest answer, but offered in the spirit of kindness, NOT cruelty. They may also be looking for reassurance. What they don&#8217;t want is mean-spirited responses and then chastized with a, &#8220;Well you asked,&#8221; blaming the other person, not only for their cruelty but also for asking their opinion. Too often people mask anger under the guise of honesty. I agree with kate h and her mother&#8217;s approach sounds appropriate, honest and decent&#8230;</p>
<p>“That cut isn’t very flattering on you.” The blame for the ill appearance falls on the cut of the garment, not on the garment wearer.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been around a lot of people who routinely make unsolicited comments. Many of them mask competition, jealousy and a host of other issues under the guise of teasing. If you&#8217;ve been the recipient of such behaviors, it shouldn&#8217;t come as a surprise that occasionally they may want reassurance or ask someone who they feel that they can trust how an outfit or color looks. A friend the other day inquired why I didn&#8217;t say anything about her haircut (when it was cut too short and was unflattering). Her hair had grown out and I told her that I preferred it better as it was softer and more flattering. She asked why I didn&#8217;t tell her that I didn&#8217;t like it. I responded that I wouldn&#8217;t feel comfortable saying it like that, as I thought it mean-spirited. Besides other issues she was going through were far more important to comment on than an unflattering haircut.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo Schwyzer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugo Schwyzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somehow that one didn't get stuck in moderation, B, and I'm just seeing it now -- bleary-eyed.  It is different in one sense in that we live in a culture in which women have been trained to be much more discreet and surreptitious about their gazing than men.

No more such comments in this thread, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehow that one didn&#8217;t get stuck in moderation, B, and I&#8217;m just seeing it now &#8212; bleary-eyed.  It is different in one sense in that we live in a culture in which women have been trained to be much more discreet and surreptitious about their gazing than men.</p>
<p>No more such comments in this thread, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: B</title>
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		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Hahaha. I wonder if your wife knows how many students stare at your crotch when you wear certain jeans, especially the flared Diesels you wear every other week or so!&lt;/i&gt;

This isn't any different than a male student telling a female professor that everyone in the class stares at her breasts. I felt uncomfortable just reading that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Hahaha. I wonder if your wife knows how many students stare at your crotch when you wear certain jeans, especially the flared Diesels you wear every other week or so!</i></p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t any different than a male student telling a female professor that everyone in the class stares at her breasts. I felt uncomfortable just reading that.</p>
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