Prenup?????

I’ve never been able to get why people think this would be so hard. Contract law has long been able handle very complex partnerships in the business realm.

How long can it be till plural marriage is made official?

As soon as somebody comes up with a way of dealing with the legal headaches. Of which poly marriages create many. Whether or not polygyny (not polyamory) is closer to ‘traditional’ marriage has nothing to do with marriage as a civil institution. Right now our laws are set up for two-person marriage. It’s a lot easier to ignore the gender of those persons than it is to change to >2. (And davev, procreation isn’t the defining characteristic of marriage anymore.)

What I am pointing out is that society and marriage are EVOLVING. Gay/lesbian marriage is evidence of that. Less than 50 years ago “miscegenation” was a huge issue. Today, I walk down the street and mixed race couples, married and otherwise, are all over the place. There has recently been a big push for gay marriage and I think that there will soon be a liberalization of marriage to include more than 2 parties. (A+B+C+D!!!) Hugo says to bank a 51-49 victory in November. I’m making my own bold prediction: Marriage won’t stop evolving after this. Inheritance might be difficult, but with all the divorce happening, it’s already difficult.

Poly relationships already exist, but they are not formalized under the laws yet. I know that a poly relationship would not be for me, but it does actually seem closer to a “traditional” family situation that gay/lesbian marriage. Basically, a lesbian or gay marriage can’t produce offspring without medical intervention/surrogacy while a mixed gender poly marriage can. There is actually an organicism of procreation in the poly marriage that the gay/lesbian marriage is lacking.

As for the bestiality point. Well, if people honestly can’t tell animals from humans, they probably don’t have the native intelligence necessary for independent living and should probably reside in a group home situation.

I strive to be truthful in my prognostications. I separate what I WANT to happen from what I think is actually going to happen.

Prognostications:

Gay/Lesbian marriage will become legal in most states.
Poly marriage will become legal is some states.
Age of consent will be lowered. There will be more marriages with large age gaps.
Some conservative groups will succeed in getting “deluxe” marriage laws passed in some conservative states.

As for November, the ballot initiative will likely hinge on how church attending minority voters view the issue.

The irrelevance is often the point, though. By dragging the conversation away from any realistic sphere, gay marriage opponents handily avoid dealing with arguments they tend to lose. It’s also much easier to work people into a moral panic by conflating homosexuality with more…exotic sexual urges.

To say that Gays and Lesbians can’t marry same gendered partners - is simply denying them “equal rights” and “fair rights”. You may be uncomfortable with such rights. I may be uncomfortable when a man of my age (57) marries a much, much, much younger woman, but I’d find it crazy to outlaw marriages that stipulated that the age difference couldn’t be more than “x” years.

Polyamory - from Wikipedia: Polyamory (from Greek πολυ [poly, meaning many or several] and Latin amor [literally “love”]) is the desire, practice, or acceptance of having more than one loving, intimate relationship at a time with the full knowledge and consent of everyone involved - seems a much more “reasonable” alternative for some people (not myself) than “Polygamy” - where one person has more than one partner one is married to - often connoted as Men with multiple wives (only).

With Polyamory - one may have a married partner or not - that’s not the defining characteristic.

Polygamy - would have numerous - potential legal difficulties - related to decisions making, inheritance, support obligations etc. that No State or Country would generally want to have to deal with.

We should though - stay functioning upon Gay and Lesbian Marriage - as the current, relevant issue. To try to “talk of the future” - as you (Davey) are doing - takes away from the justifiable joy and celebration that many have a first (or second) chance at now in California.

My partner (Female Bisexual) - found it strange - when her ex-partner (Female) called her to tell her of the California State Supreme decision - allowing Gay/Lesbian Marriages. I’d already called B - myself - so she already knew of it - but it makes sense to me.

Thanks!

I’ve wondered that too, but I think humans are a little too jealous for that to ever work long-term. I know couples who tried the open marriage thing because of all those “we’re not meant to be monogamous” ideas only to realize after a while that it was making them really miserable, especially if the spouse ended up falling for one of his open partners (and hopefully, in a group marriage, true love would be the motivation, not kinky group sex). People might insist we’re not built for monogamy, but we’re also driven to couple up (regardless of what gender our partner is). Serial monogomany is still one partner at a time, even if it’s not a life-long pairing.

Quite honestly, it takes so much energy and effort to sustain ONE partnership, I can’t imagine successfully making it work with multiple partners at the same time.

I watched Oprah today and I have a prognostication . . . Polygamy is the next frontier. I think that in 10-15 years group marriage will be the next big thing and legal. The evo-bio crowd already touts the fact that humans are not “meant to be monogamous.” We already live in a culture where “serial monogamy” is normative. How long can it be till plural marriage is made official?

What’s your Vegas line on that, Hugo?