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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Teaching May Be Hazardous to Your Marriage&#8221;:  Social scientists and the myth of male weakness</title>
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		<title>By: mythago</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/06/30/teaching-may-be-hazardous-to-your-marriage-social-scientists-and-the-myth-of-male-weakness/#comment-438749</link>
		<dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin - drop Hugo an e-mail. It might be the spam filter or something on your end. I had a lot of comments vanish or not get posted as well, and it wasn't because Hugo was shutting me out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin - drop Hugo an e-mail. It might be the spam filter or something on your end. I had a lot of comments vanish or not get posted as well, and it wasn&#8217;t because Hugo was shutting me out.</p>
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		<title>By: matey</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/06/30/teaching-may-be-hazardous-to-your-marriage-social-scientists-and-the-myth-of-male-weakness/#comment-438669</link>
		<dc:creator>matey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh and SamSeaborn: if I were teaching David Beckham I would defo have my professional hat on and learing would not be on the agenda. He would be my student. I have had some very, very attractive young men in my classes, but they are my students and I have far too much on my mind to think about their body parts, their welfare and academic development being paramount. I value my job and my self respect as a professional way too much to let a glimpse of young flesh stand in the way of that.

If I saw Clive Owen or Daniel Craig at a film premiere or such like however...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh and SamSeaborn: if I were teaching David Beckham I would defo have my professional hat on and learing would not be on the agenda. He would be my student. I have had some very, very attractive young men in my classes, but they are my students and I have far too much on my mind to think about their body parts, their welfare and academic development being paramount. I value my job and my self respect as a professional way too much to let a glimpse of young flesh stand in the way of that.</p>
<p>If I saw Clive Owen or Daniel Craig at a film premiere or such like however&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: matey</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/06/30/teaching-may-be-hazardous-to-your-marriage-social-scientists-and-the-myth-of-male-weakness/#comment-438649</link>
		<dc:creator>matey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/06/30/teaching-may-be-hazardous-to-your-marriage-social-scientists-and-the-myth-of-male-weakness/#comment-438649</guid>
		<description>Did they look at how often women academics/teachers re-marry? or marry in the first place? It would have given a bit of balance to the piece. I'm a woman academic and am currently thinking that I get such a buzz from my work and it so time consuming and emotionally demanding that not being in a relationship could be a good option for me. Realistically it could be choice between staying with this line of work or a good marraige and family. If you make the choice to be a well published academic it so often means you dont have the time or energy for a relationship, hence you don't marry or your marraige fails. I was chatting to a PhD this week about the levels of work expected and she says her first year was incredibly difficult, partly because she was in a relationship. She no longer is.

I'd like to be able to say that I'm shocked such shoddy, seemingly self gratifying research gets funding money, but sadly I'm not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did they look at how often women academics/teachers re-marry? or marry in the first place? It would have given a bit of balance to the piece. I&#8217;m a woman academic and am currently thinking that I get such a buzz from my work and it so time consuming and emotionally demanding that not being in a relationship could be a good option for me. Realistically it could be choice between staying with this line of work or a good marraige and family. If you make the choice to be a well published academic it so often means you dont have the time or energy for a relationship, hence you don&#8217;t marry or your marraige fails. I was chatting to a PhD this week about the levels of work expected and she says her first year was incredibly difficult, partly because she was in a relationship. She no longer is.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to be able to say that I&#8217;m shocked such shoddy, seemingly self gratifying research gets funding money, but sadly I&#8217;m not.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was on the receiving end of UNWANTED and UNSOLICITED sexual behaviors from male professors. My major was dominated by male professors. Unlike some of my classmates, I was NOT flattered and it was UNAPPRECIATED and I did NOT return their interest. Actually, I felt insulted and demeaned. These aggressive and destructive personalities REFUSED to hear that their behaviors were UNWANTED, UNPROFESSIONAL AND UNAPPRECIATED and that I did NOT feel similar towards them. Actually, their behaviors caused a lot of grief, stress and compromised my education. It angered me then and yet, I felt that I had little recourse. I did in fact try to get help in dealing with their inappropriate sexual conduct. In fact it still infuriates me now just thinking about these men and their negative impact that they had on my life. They had NO RIGHT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was on the receiving end of UNWANTED and UNSOLICITED sexual behaviors from male professors. My major was dominated by male professors. Unlike some of my classmates, I was NOT flattered and it was UNAPPRECIATED and I did NOT return their interest. Actually, I felt insulted and demeaned. These aggressive and destructive personalities REFUSED to hear that their behaviors were UNWANTED, UNPROFESSIONAL AND UNAPPRECIATED and that I did NOT feel similar towards them. Actually, their behaviors caused a lot of grief, stress and compromised my education. It angered me then and yet, I felt that I had little recourse. I did in fact try to get help in dealing with their inappropriate sexual conduct. In fact it still infuriates me now just thinking about these men and their negative impact that they had on my life. They had NO RIGHT.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Angel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a scenario that I am familiar with that I would like to mention for discussion:

A married university professor is suffering from Depression. He takes on a young woman as his graduate research assistant. This young woman  has the type of socially engaging personality that helps to alleviate the symptoms of the professor's Depression via a socially close relationship between the professor and the student. The root causes of the professor's Depression are not, of course, addressed. The student  ultimately finishes up her graduate work and is awarded her Doctorate degree. She moves on to post-Doc work at another University, and another graduate assistant is assigned to work with this Professor. But this new graduate assistant is an older male, and hence cannot "bond" to the professor the way that the young woman could. As a result, symptoms of the professor's depression return, with significant deleterious consequences to the student's professional prospects. In fact, the male student is forced to terminate his graduate studies not because of a contentious relationship with this particular professor or with the University, but because of an inability to compensate for this professor's loss of social companionship (and consequent re-emergence of his epression) due to the departure of the young woman to whom he had grown so attached.

I would urge students considering signing on as graduate research assistants to professors whom they are aware to have developed strong ties to a young woman who will shortly leave (graduate) to perform their own "risk assessment" to determine whether tethering their own career aspirations to such a faculty member is really a wise move to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a scenario that I am familiar with that I would like to mention for discussion:</p>
<p>A married university professor is suffering from Depression. He takes on a young woman as his graduate research assistant. This young woman  has the type of socially engaging personality that helps to alleviate the symptoms of the professor&#8217;s Depression via a socially close relationship between the professor and the student. The root causes of the professor&#8217;s Depression are not, of course, addressed. The student  ultimately finishes up her graduate work and is awarded her Doctorate degree. She moves on to post-Doc work at another University, and another graduate assistant is assigned to work with this Professor. But this new graduate assistant is an older male, and hence cannot &#8220;bond&#8221; to the professor the way that the young woman could. As a result, symptoms of the professor&#8217;s depression return, with significant deleterious consequences to the student&#8217;s professional prospects. In fact, the male student is forced to terminate his graduate studies not because of a contentious relationship with this particular professor or with the University, but because of an inability to compensate for this professor&#8217;s loss of social companionship (and consequent re-emergence of his epression) due to the departure of the young woman to whom he had grown so attached.</p>
<p>I would urge students considering signing on as graduate research assistants to professors whom they are aware to have developed strong ties to a young woman who will shortly leave (graduate) to perform their own &#8220;risk assessment&#8221; to determine whether tethering their own career aspirations to such a faculty member is really a wise move to make.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/06/30/teaching-may-be-hazardous-to-your-marriage-social-scientists-and-the-myth-of-male-weakness/#comment-410997</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The only censorship going on is Hugo limiting anti-feminist comments, and that’s perfectly fine since a private blog owner has every right to decide what sort of topics are discussed.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, I just tried to leave a comment that was not anti-feminist, it merely pointed out my opinion that real feminism has nothing to do with the simplistic, man-bashing stereotypes Catie was promoting. And Hugo censored it. Read into that what you will. Maybe that Hugo gives a big thumbs-up to simplistic man-bashing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The only censorship going on is Hugo limiting anti-feminist comments, and that’s perfectly fine since a private blog owner has every right to decide what sort of topics are discussed.</i></p>
<p>Well, I just tried to leave a comment that was not anti-feminist, it merely pointed out my opinion that real feminism has nothing to do with the simplistic, man-bashing stereotypes Catie was promoting. And Hugo censored it. Read into that what you will. Maybe that Hugo gives a big thumbs-up to simplistic man-bashing?</p>
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		<title>By: mythago</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/06/30/teaching-may-be-hazardous-to-your-marriage-social-scientists-and-the-myth-of-male-weakness/#comment-405288</link>
		<dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/06/30/teaching-may-be-hazardous-to-your-marriage-social-scientists-and-the-myth-of-male-weakness/#comment-405288</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I can’t believe the reviewers let this slide. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I can. Studies that tend to prove the prejudices of reviewers have little difficulty getting published.

The pseudo-biological arguments are especially laughable when you consider that they, essentially, regard women as brainless things: college students have no preferences, certainly aren't attracted to hot men they're own age; they're merely receptacles for professors on the prowl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I can’t believe the reviewers let this slide. </p></blockquote>
<p>I can. Studies that tend to prove the prejudices of reviewers have little difficulty getting published.</p>
<p>The pseudo-biological arguments are especially laughable when you consider that they, essentially, regard women as brainless things: college students have no preferences, certainly aren&#8217;t attracted to hot men they&#8217;re own age; they&#8217;re merely receptacles for professors on the prowl.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/06/30/teaching-may-be-hazardous-to-your-marriage-social-scientists-and-the-myth-of-male-weakness/#comment-404229</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/06/30/teaching-may-be-hazardous-to-your-marriage-social-scientists-and-the-myth-of-male-weakness/#comment-404229</guid>
		<description>Richard, 

"Yeah. When I was chasing around campus, so to speak, my primary concern was impressing my friends with the girls I could attract.
Not."

This may not have been your experience and you may not have consciously acted this way towards girls with the intent to hurt them. Because you may not have behaved this way doesn't mean that other men don't and DO. Why discount someone else's experience through sarcasm? I agree with B's observation about people and their sense of self-worth being lifted by association--it's pretty common knowledge in psychology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, </p>
<p>&#8220;Yeah. When I was chasing around campus, so to speak, my primary concern was impressing my friends with the girls I could attract.<br />
Not.&#8221;</p>
<p>This may not have been your experience and you may not have consciously acted this way towards girls with the intent to hurt them. Because you may not have behaved this way doesn&#8217;t mean that other men don&#8217;t and DO. Why discount someone else&#8217;s experience through sarcasm? I agree with B&#8217;s observation about people and their sense of self-worth being lifted by association&#8211;it&#8217;s pretty common knowledge in psychology.</p>
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		<title>By: B</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/06/30/teaching-may-be-hazardous-to-your-marriage-social-scientists-and-the-myth-of-male-weakness/#comment-404214</link>
		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/06/30/teaching-may-be-hazardous-to-your-marriage-social-scientists-and-the-myth-of-male-weakness/#comment-404214</guid>
		<description>catie,

The only censorship going on is Hugo limiting anti-feminist comments, and that's perfectly fine since a private blog owner has every right to decide what sort of topics are discussed.

I was just suggesting that your approach might not help spread your ideas. The first thing I saw was a lecture-style blame game going on ("&lt;i&gt;Most likely the reason that these women feel this way is becaue we live in a society that allows men to objectify women. Men do this so that they can stay in power.&lt;/i&gt;") Right off the bat you've used academic language and charged every single man with a conscious behavior that puts women down. Of &lt;i&gt;course&lt;/i&gt; you're going to get some negative comments from men now - you're not inviting disagreement but flat out denial. It doesn't invite anyone to want to discuss this with you.

In your next post, you insult them ("&lt;i&gt;Oh look men who fail to understand feminist theory shocking!&lt;/i&gt;") and then tell them you can't possibly explan it to them and that you really shouldn't have to, as if you're far too good for that ("&lt;i&gt;Especially because my own explanation was very brief and to really explain the theory correctly I would have to write a great deal more—both something that I don’t have time for and should not have to do.&lt;/i&gt;").

You seem like you're very enthusiastic about feminism, and your tone suggests to me that you're a new student to the subject and you've found something in it that's really important to you. That's great, and it's a message everyone should hear. Lecturing, insulting, and acting like everyone who doesn't know about these academic theories are just uneducated and not worth your time isn't the way to do it. People can't identify with theories, and it should be every feminist's goal to help men and women personally identify with the cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>catie,</p>
<p>The only censorship going on is Hugo limiting anti-feminist comments, and that&#8217;s perfectly fine since a private blog owner has every right to decide what sort of topics are discussed.</p>
<p>I was just suggesting that your approach might not help spread your ideas. The first thing I saw was a lecture-style blame game going on (&#8221;<i>Most likely the reason that these women feel this way is becaue we live in a society that allows men to objectify women. Men do this so that they can stay in power.</i>&#8220;) Right off the bat you&#8217;ve used academic language and charged every single man with a conscious behavior that puts women down. Of <i>course</i> you&#8217;re going to get some negative comments from men now - you&#8217;re not inviting disagreement but flat out denial. It doesn&#8217;t invite anyone to want to discuss this with you.</p>
<p>In your next post, you insult them (&#8221;<i>Oh look men who fail to understand feminist theory shocking!</i>&#8220;) and then tell them you can&#8217;t possibly explan it to them and that you really shouldn&#8217;t have to, as if you&#8217;re far too good for that (&#8221;<i>Especially because my own explanation was very brief and to really explain the theory correctly I would have to write a great deal more—both something that I don’t have time for and should not have to do.</i>&#8220;).</p>
<p>You seem like you&#8217;re very enthusiastic about feminism, and your tone suggests to me that you&#8217;re a new student to the subject and you&#8217;ve found something in it that&#8217;s really important to you. That&#8217;s great, and it&#8217;s a message everyone should hear. Lecturing, insulting, and acting like everyone who doesn&#8217;t know about these academic theories are just uneducated and not worth your time isn&#8217;t the way to do it. People can&#8217;t identify with theories, and it should be every feminist&#8217;s goal to help men and women personally identify with the cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Sweating Through Fog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sweating Through Fog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/06/30/teaching-may-be-hazardous-to-your-marriage-social-scientists-and-the-myth-of-male-weakness/#comment-404212</guid>
		<description>"... but I also feel that what you are suggesting is a bit like censorship."

Actually it is Hugo who is doing the censoring, which is his perfect right as the blog owner.  The principle is that once someone employs "feminist theory" as the the correct and objective view of a matter, any further discussion is limited to those who agree, since feminist theory is not to be questioned here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; but I also feel that what you are suggesting is a bit like censorship.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually it is Hugo who is doing the censoring, which is his perfect right as the blog owner.  The principle is that once someone employs &#8220;feminist theory&#8221; as the the correct and objective view of a matter, any further discussion is limited to those who agree, since feminist theory is not to be questioned here.</p>
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