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	<title>Comments on: Pundits, pastors, and bloggers: of anger, culpability, and the Unitarian shooting in Tennessee</title>
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		<title>By: bmmg39</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/07/28/pundits-pastors-and-bloggers-of-anger-culpability-and-the-unitarian-shooting-in-tennessee/#comment-438832</link>
		<dc:creator>bmmg39</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez, Grupetti. I've been asking for evidence that Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh and people like that have suggested that liberals/gays/lesbians/Democrats be brutally murdered, and so far all you've provided is a list of blogs by people who tend to agree with you. 

Now, Michael Savage I'll grant you. I'm more likely to listen to NPR than I am the conservative talk-show hosts, but I have been appalled by the things I've heard Savage say the few times I tuned in (though I doubt he told his listeners to kill Unitarians or liberals). I certainly don't support "jokes" about killing liberals, but just replace the word "liberals" with the word "conservatives" or "neocons" or "lawyers" or "men" and you'll likely find the same jokes, somewhere...

"bmmg39, if you’d like some more education all you have to do is respond in the way you’ve done before and continue making yourself look like a foolish and ignorant bigot."

Nope, not sure why you're now accusing me of bigotry, when I'm clearly on the side of people getting along and settling their disputes in a peaceful manner. I'm no acolyte of any particular talk-show host, but throwing around names as accomplices to murder without being able to provide any justification is libel, and, well, a rather bigoted thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez, Grupetti. I&#8217;ve been asking for evidence that Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh and people like that have suggested that liberals/gays/lesbians/Democrats be brutally murdered, and so far all you&#8217;ve provided is a list of blogs by people who tend to agree with you. </p>
<p>Now, Michael Savage I&#8217;ll grant you. I&#8217;m more likely to listen to NPR than I am the conservative talk-show hosts, but I have been appalled by the things I&#8217;ve heard Savage say the few times I tuned in (though I doubt he told his listeners to kill Unitarians or liberals). I certainly don&#8217;t support &#8220;jokes&#8221; about killing liberals, but just replace the word &#8220;liberals&#8221; with the word &#8220;conservatives&#8221; or &#8220;neocons&#8221; or &#8220;lawyers&#8221; or &#8220;men&#8221; and you&#8217;ll likely find the same jokes, somewhere&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;bmmg39, if you’d like some more education all you have to do is respond in the way you’ve done before and continue making yourself look like a foolish and ignorant bigot.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope, not sure why you&#8217;re now accusing me of bigotry, when I&#8217;m clearly on the side of people getting along and settling their disputes in a peaceful manner. I&#8217;m no acolyte of any particular talk-show host, but throwing around names as accomplices to murder without being able to provide any justification is libel, and, well, a rather bigoted thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: As the Globe Falls &#171; mirabile dictu</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/07/28/pundits-pastors-and-bloggers-of-anger-culpability-and-the-unitarian-shooting-in-tennessee/#comment-434299</link>
		<dc:creator>As the Globe Falls &#171; mirabile dictu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 06:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that Hugo Schwyzer said in response to the TVUUC shootings comes to mind as I try to decide on my response: Those of us [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] that Hugo Schwyzer said in response to the TVUUC shootings comes to mind as I try to decide on my response: Those of us [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Grupetti</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/07/28/pundits-pastors-and-bloggers-of-anger-culpability-and-the-unitarian-shooting-in-tennessee/#comment-434247</link>
		<dc:creator>Grupetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 05:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I think this is it.

http://www.hatehurtsamerica.org/

bmmg39, if you'd like some more education all you have to do is respond in the way you've done before and continue making yourself look like a foolish and ignorant bigot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I think this is it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hatehurtsamerica.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hatehurtsamerica.org/</a></p>
<p>bmmg39, if you&#8217;d like some more education all you have to do is respond in the way you&#8217;ve done before and continue making yourself look like a foolish and ignorant bigot.</p>
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		<title>By: Grupetti</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/07/28/pundits-pastors-and-bloggers-of-anger-culpability-and-the-unitarian-shooting-in-tennessee/#comment-434246</link>
		<dc:creator>Grupetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 05:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next...

Knoxville Update: ‘All Liberals Should Be Killed’
http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/28/knoxville-update-all-liberals-should-be-killed/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next&#8230;</p>
<p>Knoxville Update: ‘All Liberals Should Be Killed’<br />
<a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/28/knoxville-update-all-liberals-should-be-killed/" rel="nofollow">http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/28/knoxville-update-all-liberals-should-be-killed/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Grupetti</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/07/28/pundits-pastors-and-bloggers-of-anger-culpability-and-the-unitarian-shooting-in-tennessee/#comment-434245</link>
		<dc:creator>Grupetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 05:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/07/28/pundits-pastors-and-bloggers-of-anger-culpability-and-the-unitarian-shooting-in-tennessee/#comment-434245</guid>
		<description>Ok, we'll do this just one link/clue at a time.

Eliminationism in America: I
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2006/12/eliminationism-in-america-i.html

(I'm tempted to do all ten parts of this series, one link at a time)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, we&#8217;ll do this just one link/clue at a time.</p>
<p>Eliminationism in America: I<br />
<a href="http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2006/12/eliminationism-in-america-i.html" rel="nofollow">http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2006/12/eliminationism-in-america-i.html</a></p>
<p>(I&#8217;m tempted to do all ten parts of this series, one link at a time)</p>
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		<title>By: Grupetti</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/07/28/pundits-pastors-and-bloggers-of-anger-culpability-and-the-unitarian-shooting-in-tennessee/#comment-434244</link>
		<dc:creator>Grupetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 04:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/07/28/pundits-pastors-and-bloggers-of-anger-culpability-and-the-unitarian-shooting-in-tennessee/#comment-434244</guid>
		<description>Hey Hugo...do you allow only one link?

I'm not giving up. This bmmg39 guy needs a few clues.

Of Madmen and Martyrs
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2008/07/of-madmen-and-martyrs.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Hugo&#8230;do you allow only one link?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not giving up. This bmmg39 guy needs a few clues.</p>
<p>Of Madmen and Martyrs<br />
<a href="http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2008/07/of-madmen-and-martyrs.html" rel="nofollow">http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2008/07/of-madmen-and-martyrs.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Grupetti</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/07/28/pundits-pastors-and-bloggers-of-anger-culpability-and-the-unitarian-shooting-in-tennessee/#comment-434234</link>
		<dc:creator>Grupetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 04:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/07/28/pundits-pastors-and-bloggers-of-anger-culpability-and-the-unitarian-shooting-in-tennessee/#comment-434234</guid>
		<description>OK, i'm a little ticked off about the formatting...one more try.


Let me try again again (this didn't post the first time).

"The headlines about this man indicate that he was “Angry at Liberals,” indirectly (but perhaps intentionally) maligning anyone who calls herself or himself a conservative."

"Angry at Liberals?" And from that - your own interpretation, I might add - you get "all conservatives." That's more dishonesty. It should be "One Guy Angry at Some Liberals."


"This very post seems to endorse the idea that we should blame Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity or the Fox News Channel for the actions of a lunatic."

Hugo explicitly says "in part." You should have added Michael Savage and Bill O'Reilly to your list of influences on this One Guy - see the Firedoglake link below.


"...they aren’t saying to shoot Unitarians or homosexuals or anyone else."

Perhaps not using those precise words. But there's some very harsh eliminationist language coming from many popular and influential conservative commentators.


"It’s quite a leap."

That's a perfect description of your reasoning.

Please read the following links and educate yourself. If you cannot see that there is a deep and profound evil that infests the conservative movement, then there is no hope for you. Perhaps you are part of the problem.


(I'll split this into a couple posts - maybe my post was rejected for too many links)

Let Us Hate What Is Evil
http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2008/7/28/221528/608</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, i&#8217;m a little ticked off about the formatting&#8230;one more try.</p>
<p>Let me try again again (this didn&#8217;t post the first time).</p>
<p>&#8220;The headlines about this man indicate that he was “Angry at Liberals,” indirectly (but perhaps intentionally) maligning anyone who calls herself or himself a conservative.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Angry at Liberals?&#8221; And from that - your own interpretation, I might add - you get &#8220;all conservatives.&#8221; That&#8217;s more dishonesty. It should be &#8220;One Guy Angry at Some Liberals.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;This very post seems to endorse the idea that we should blame Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity or the Fox News Channel for the actions of a lunatic.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hugo explicitly says &#8220;in part.&#8221; You should have added Michael Savage and Bill O&#8217;Reilly to your list of influences on this One Guy - see the Firedoglake link below.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;they aren’t saying to shoot Unitarians or homosexuals or anyone else.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps not using those precise words. But there&#8217;s some very harsh eliminationist language coming from many popular and influential conservative commentators.</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s quite a leap.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a perfect description of your reasoning.</p>
<p>Please read the following links and educate yourself. If you cannot see that there is a deep and profound evil that infests the conservative movement, then there is no hope for you. Perhaps you are part of the problem.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;ll split this into a couple posts - maybe my post was rejected for too many links)</p>
<p>Let Us Hate What Is Evil<br />
<a href="http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2008/7/28/221528/608" rel="nofollow">http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2008/7/28/221528/608</a></p>
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		<title>By: Grupetti</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/07/28/pundits-pastors-and-bloggers-of-anger-culpability-and-the-unitarian-shooting-in-tennessee/#comment-434231</link>
		<dc:creator>Grupetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 04:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/07/28/pundits-pastors-and-bloggers-of-anger-culpability-and-the-unitarian-shooting-in-tennessee/#comment-434231</guid>
		<description>Let me try again again (this didn't post the first time).

"The headlines about this man indicate that he was “Angry at Liberals,” indirectly (but perhaps 

intentionally) maligning anyone who calls herself or himself a conservative."

"Angry at Liberals?" And from that - your own interpretation, I might add - you get "all 

conservatives." That's more dishonesty. It should be "One Guy Angry at Some Liberals."


"This very post seems to endorse the idea that we should blame Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity or 

the Fox News Channel for the actions of a lunatic."

Hugo explicitly says "in part." You should have added Michael Savage and Bill O'Reilly to your 

list of influences on this One Guy - see the Firedoglake link below.


"...they aren’t saying to shoot Unitarians or homosexuals or anyone else."

Perhaps not using those precise words. But there's some very harsh eliminationist language coming 

from many popular and influential conservative commentators.


"It’s quite a leap."

That's a perfect description of your reasoning.

Please read the following links and educate yourself. If you cannot see that there is a deep and 

profound evil that infests the conservative movement, then there is no hope for you. Perhaps you 

are part of the problem.


(I'll split this into a couple posts - maybe my post was rejected for too many links)

Let Us Hate What Is Evil
http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2008/7/28/221528/608</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me try again again (this didn&#8217;t post the first time).</p>
<p>&#8220;The headlines about this man indicate that he was “Angry at Liberals,” indirectly (but perhaps </p>
<p>intentionally) maligning anyone who calls herself or himself a conservative.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Angry at Liberals?&#8221; And from that - your own interpretation, I might add - you get &#8220;all </p>
<p>conservatives.&#8221; That&#8217;s more dishonesty. It should be &#8220;One Guy Angry at Some Liberals.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;This very post seems to endorse the idea that we should blame Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity or </p>
<p>the Fox News Channel for the actions of a lunatic.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hugo explicitly says &#8220;in part.&#8221; You should have added Michael Savage and Bill O&#8217;Reilly to your </p>
<p>list of influences on this One Guy - see the Firedoglake link below.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;they aren’t saying to shoot Unitarians or homosexuals or anyone else.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps not using those precise words. But there&#8217;s some very harsh eliminationist language coming </p>
<p>from many popular and influential conservative commentators.</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s quite a leap.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a perfect description of your reasoning.</p>
<p>Please read the following links and educate yourself. If you cannot see that there is a deep and </p>
<p>profound evil that infests the conservative movement, then there is no hope for you. Perhaps you </p>
<p>are part of the problem.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;ll split this into a couple posts - maybe my post was rejected for too many links)</p>
<p>Let Us Hate What Is Evil<br />
<a href="http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2008/7/28/221528/608" rel="nofollow">http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2008/7/28/221528/608</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Cronk</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/07/28/pundits-pastors-and-bloggers-of-anger-culpability-and-the-unitarian-shooting-in-tennessee/#comment-434204</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Cronk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 04:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your article is a breath of fresh air.  I couldn't agree with you more.  

As a Jewish UU, I was shaken to the core when I heard of last week's shooting. What compounded the shock and pain was the lack of coverage it received on Fox, CNN and MSNBC.  It was mentioned less than the 44 pound cat or Brittney Spears child custody court date.  I couldn't help but think, "If this were a liberal guy saying he hated conservatives" this would be all over the papers and news shows all day long."  

My heart goes out to the victims and their families, and to the congregation members who witnessed this horrific crime.  It also goes out to liberals everywhere who have been victimized by yet another terrorist domestic hate crime, spurred by anti-liberal propaganda.  As UUs, as liberals, and as decent people, we stand together to say, "We shall overcome."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your article is a breath of fresh air.  I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.  </p>
<p>As a Jewish UU, I was shaken to the core when I heard of last week&#8217;s shooting. What compounded the shock and pain was the lack of coverage it received on Fox, CNN and MSNBC.  It was mentioned less than the 44 pound cat or Brittney Spears child custody court date.  I couldn&#8217;t help but think, &#8220;If this were a liberal guy saying he hated conservatives&#8221; this would be all over the papers and news shows all day long.&#8221;  </p>
<p>My heart goes out to the victims and their families, and to the congregation members who witnessed this horrific crime.  It also goes out to liberals everywhere who have been victimized by yet another terrorist domestic hate crime, spurred by anti-liberal propaganda.  As UUs, as liberals, and as decent people, we stand together to say, &#8220;We shall overcome.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: bmmg39</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2008/07/28/pundits-pastors-and-bloggers-of-anger-culpability-and-the-unitarian-shooting-in-tennessee/#comment-433007</link>
		<dc:creator>bmmg39</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good grief, Mike. What news outlet or pundit has said anything on a par with "the Jews are the source of all the world's problems"? We were discussing national news pundits here, not your ignorant next-door neighbor. Try not to get lost here, Mike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief, Mike. What news outlet or pundit has said anything on a par with &#8220;the Jews are the source of all the world&#8217;s problems&#8221;? We were discussing national news pundits here, not your ignorant next-door neighbor. Try not to get lost here, Mike.</p>
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