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	<title>Comments on: Of getting naked, and getting naked: of truth-telling, vulnerability, sex work, and the right to a past</title>
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		<title>By: captcrisis</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2009/01/15/of-getting-naked-and-getting-naked-of-truth-telling-vulnerability-sex-work-and-the-right-to-a-past/#comment-486887</link>
		<dc:creator>captcrisis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O.K.  If he believes it's wrong and thinks he shouldn't feel that way, then that's an unfinished situation for him.  It's still internal and has nothing to do with her (the prospective partner) and still is a stumbling block as far as the relationship is concerned.  Ideally he should say, "I'm not ready for you."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O.K.  If he believes it&#8217;s wrong and thinks he shouldn&#8217;t feel that way, then that&#8217;s an unfinished situation for him.  It&#8217;s still internal and has nothing to do with her (the prospective partner) and still is a stumbling block as far as the relationship is concerned.  Ideally he should say, &#8220;I&#8217;m not ready for you.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mythago</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2009/01/15/of-getting-naked-and-getting-naked-of-truth-telling-vulnerability-sex-work-and-the-right-to-a-past/#comment-486883</link>
		<dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;who realizes that just because something grosses him out doesn’t mean it’s wrong&lt;/i&gt;

Right. But I'm talking about the person who is grossed out because he *does* believe it is wrong, even if they think they shouldn't feel that way. If "that's just how I feel" is the beginning and end of that inquiry, then people who are allowing bigotry or ignorance to direct their preferences aren't going to unlearn those problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>who realizes that just because something grosses him out doesn’t mean it’s wrong</i></p>
<p>Right. But I&#8217;m talking about the person who is grossed out because he *does* believe it is wrong, even if they think they shouldn&#8217;t feel that way. If &#8220;that&#8217;s just how I feel&#8221; is the beginning and end of that inquiry, then people who are allowing bigotry or ignorance to direct their preferences aren&#8217;t going to unlearn those problems.</p>
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		<title>By: captcrisis</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2009/01/15/of-getting-naked-and-getting-naked-of-truth-telling-vulnerability-sex-work-and-the-right-to-a-past/#comment-486832</link>
		<dc:creator>captcrisis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote] But that fact is important not just for what it says about the relationship, but what it says to your partner, and about you. [quote]

This is true, to a certain extent.  But we can't control what turns us on (or off) and we are not responsible for our "id" (to use an old term).  For example, if the prospective partner had lesbian affairs, and the idea of lesibianism grosses you out, you can still be tolerant, recognize there's nothing wrong with it, treat the lesbians you meet like everyone else -- and still be grossed out about it to the point where you can't get in bed with someone who has done that.  In fact there is an admirable level of tolerance in such a person -- who realizes that just because something grosses him out doesn't mean it's wrong.  The number of progressives who don't pass this test is amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote] But that fact is important not just for what it says about the relationship, but what it says to your partner, and about you. [quote]</p>
<p>This is true, to a certain extent.  But we can&#8217;t control what turns us on (or off) and we are not responsible for our &#8220;id&#8221; (to use an old term).  For example, if the prospective partner had lesbian affairs, and the idea of lesibianism grosses you out, you can still be tolerant, recognize there&#8217;s nothing wrong with it, treat the lesbians you meet like everyone else &#8212; and still be grossed out about it to the point where you can&#8217;t get in bed with someone who has done that.  In fact there is an admirable level of tolerance in such a person &#8212; who realizes that just because something grosses him out doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s wrong.  The number of progressives who don&#8217;t pass this test is amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: mythago</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2009/01/15/of-getting-naked-and-getting-naked-of-truth-telling-vulnerability-sex-work-and-the-right-to-a-past/#comment-486826</link>
		<dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2009/01/15/of-getting-naked-and-getting-naked-of-truth-telling-vulnerability-sex-work-and-the-right-to-a-past/#comment-486826</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If there’s something in your lover’s past that bothers you, the fact that it bothers you is the important fact.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course. But that fact is important not just for what it says about the relationship, but what it says to your partner, and about you. If you find yourself being irrationally upset that your partner once dated a person of another race, you probably are doing both of you a favor by ending the relationship - but self-awareness would demand trying to figure out *why* you have those feelings. Shrugging off bigotry, or selfish standards ("it's okay for me to have screwed around, but not my partner") is not something that it's healthy to do under the guise of, well, we all have things we want in a partner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If there’s something in your lover’s past that bothers you, the fact that it bothers you is the important fact.</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course. But that fact is important not just for what it says about the relationship, but what it says to your partner, and about you. If you find yourself being irrationally upset that your partner once dated a person of another race, you probably are doing both of you a favor by ending the relationship - but self-awareness would demand trying to figure out *why* you have those feelings. Shrugging off bigotry, or selfish standards (&#8221;it&#8217;s okay for me to have screwed around, but not my partner&#8221;) is not something that it&#8217;s healthy to do under the guise of, well, we all have things we want in a partner.</p>
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		<title>By: Jass Howarth</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2009/01/15/of-getting-naked-and-getting-naked-of-truth-telling-vulnerability-sex-work-and-the-right-to-a-past/#comment-485705</link>
		<dc:creator>Jass Howarth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 00:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2009/01/15/of-getting-naked-and-getting-naked-of-truth-telling-vulnerability-sex-work-and-the-right-to-a-past/#comment-485705</guid>
		<description>Oh Hugo, this reminds me of sex education in youth group, and your famous dictum:  "Sometimes it's best to only get naked with the people you can get naked with."  I can't tell you how often I've thought about that over the last few years.

I'm dying to know who the girl was who had her picture exposed to everyone, but I know you can't and shouldn't tell!

Anyhow, hug your wife for me and tell her I still remember her &lt;em&gt;salsa&lt;/em&gt; lessons!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Hugo, this reminds me of sex education in youth group, and your famous dictum:  &#8220;Sometimes it&#8217;s best to only get naked with the people you can get naked with.&#8221;  I can&#8217;t tell you how often I&#8217;ve thought about that over the last few years.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m dying to know who the girl was who had her picture exposed to everyone, but I know you can&#8217;t and shouldn&#8217;t tell!</p>
<p>Anyhow, hug your wife for me and tell her I still remember her <em>salsa</em> lessons!</p>
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		<title>By: captcrisis</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2009/01/15/of-getting-naked-and-getting-naked-of-truth-telling-vulnerability-sex-work-and-the-right-to-a-past/#comment-485658</link>
		<dc:creator>captcrisis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2009/01/15/of-getting-naked-and-getting-naked-of-truth-telling-vulnerability-sex-work-and-the-right-to-a-past/#comment-485658</guid>
		<description>It's not necessarily a "jerk test".  It's not like you're interviewing job candidates where you have to be objective (and where you know you will only be dealing with that person in a professional capacity, and only during work hours).  In deciding on a mate you are entitled to (and required to) pay attention to what turns you on and turns you off.

If there's something in your lover's past that bothers you, the fact that it bothers you is the important fact.  You may not know why, or even know why and realize it's for an irrational or even wrong reason.  You can tell yourself you're being hung up and wrong, you can apologize for feeling that way, you can try to educate yourself, but at the end of the day you will still be bothered.  It might be an irrational reason to break off the relationship, but you must be self-aware enough to know that, for reasons that are not her (or his) fault, it just cannot be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not necessarily a &#8220;jerk test&#8221;.  It&#8217;s not like you&#8217;re interviewing job candidates where you have to be objective (and where you know you will only be dealing with that person in a professional capacity, and only during work hours).  In deciding on a mate you are entitled to (and required to) pay attention to what turns you on and turns you off.</p>
<p>If there&#8217;s something in your lover&#8217;s past that bothers you, the fact that it bothers you is the important fact.  You may not know why, or even know why and realize it&#8217;s for an irrational or even wrong reason.  You can tell yourself you&#8217;re being hung up and wrong, you can apologize for feeling that way, you can try to educate yourself, but at the end of the day you will still be bothered.  It might be an irrational reason to break off the relationship, but you must be self-aware enough to know that, for reasons that are not her (or his) fault, it just cannot be.</p>
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		<title>By: mythago</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2009/01/15/of-getting-naked-and-getting-naked-of-truth-telling-vulnerability-sex-work-and-the-right-to-a-past/#comment-485626</link>
		<dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2009/01/15/of-getting-naked-and-getting-naked-of-truth-telling-vulnerability-sex-work-and-the-right-to-a-past/#comment-485626</guid>
		<description>Well, yes, it's as wide (at least) as Hugo's post. And somebody who can't get over your past - if it is past, and not bleeding into your present - may well have been said to fail a "jerk test".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, yes, it&#8217;s as wide (at least) as Hugo&#8217;s post. And somebody who can&#8217;t get over your past - if it is past, and not bleeding into your present - may well have been said to fail a &#8220;jerk test&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2009/01/15/of-getting-naked-and-getting-naked-of-truth-telling-vulnerability-sex-work-and-the-right-to-a-past/#comment-485572</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mythago, yes, those are different, and in telling someone about your past, you might meet with either reaction.  The TELLING is not necessarily a "jerk test" - you may find out that while the person doesn't hold rigid and uninformed opinions, they are still not compatible with you because of fundamental differences revealed by how they feel about your past.  The topic of this post is wider than just your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mythago, yes, those are different, and in telling someone about your past, you might meet with either reaction.  The TELLING is not necessarily a &#8220;jerk test&#8221; - you may find out that while the person doesn&#8217;t hold rigid and uninformed opinions, they are still not compatible with you because of fundamental differences revealed by how they feel about your past.  The topic of this post is wider than just your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: mythago</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2009/01/15/of-getting-naked-and-getting-naked-of-truth-telling-vulnerability-sex-work-and-the-right-to-a-past/#comment-485562</link>
		<dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emily, "I'm uncomfortable with that" is different from holding rigid and uninformed opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily, &#8220;I&#8217;m uncomfortable with that&#8221; is different from holding rigid and uninformed opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://hugoschwyzer.net/2009/01/15/of-getting-naked-and-getting-naked-of-truth-telling-vulnerability-sex-work-and-the-right-to-a-past/#comment-485526</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about rather than a "jerk test" it's a compatibility test?  Assuming that you are at peace with your past, anyone who has a real problem with something from your past that either 1) you believe is significant or 2) they are going to find out about at some point from someone else, is not someone who is a compatible match for you.  They may be a jerk, or they may not be into what you're into, or their world view may be fundamentally incompatible with yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about rather than a &#8220;jerk test&#8221; it&#8217;s a compatibility test?  Assuming that you are at peace with your past, anyone who has a real problem with something from your past that either 1) you believe is significant or 2) they are going to find out about at some point from someone else, is not someone who is a compatible match for you.  They may be a jerk, or they may not be into what you&#8217;re into, or their world view may be fundamentally incompatible with yours.</p>
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